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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #120 on: January 04, 2021, 08:16:53 AM »
There you have it. Sabotloader says no scopes. Sack up, rifle hunt or go 100% draw for deer...you can't have it EVERY SINGLE WAY.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #121 on: January 04, 2021, 08:29:58 AM »
"There are no solutions, only tradeoffs..." looks like muzzleloader seasons will need a trimming once again. Part of the problem is them calling it a "muzzleoader season", if it were "primitive firearm" then it wouldn't have been so easily *censored*ized by all the technology designed for small Eastern farms and MZ/shotgun seasons.

I'm currently blessed with impeccable eyesight and I hope when that fades, I can bow out gracefully without demanding a rule change. Same for archery, eventually I'll hang it up and not  :'( for a crossbow season.

A 1x scope in the hands of an average shooter could double or triple the perceived effective range of a muzzleloaded rifle.
Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with too many facts.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #122 on: January 04, 2021, 08:35:28 AM »
I've not been around forever but the days in the MZ seasons before multi-season, 209s etc. were some good days.

One final thought, the legalization of equipment to boost hunter recruitment is a platitude at this point, particularly among niche seasons like MZ and archery.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #123 on: January 04, 2021, 08:39:06 AM »

A 1x scope in the hands of an average shooter could double or triple the perceived effective range of a muzzleloaded rifle.

Easy enought to prove. I'll work on that theory this spring.

First I'll have to excel to average.  lol
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #124 on: January 04, 2021, 08:41:57 AM »
Good luck.  :tup:

That bullet is deadly a LOT farther than we can effectively see through iron sights.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #125 on: January 04, 2021, 08:54:49 AM »
Good luck.  :tup:

That bullet is deadly a LOT farther than we can effectively see through iron sights.

 :yeah:

With the latest muzzleloaders and modern primers you can shoot a high bc (high for muzzleloader bullets) 300gr .45 cal bullet at over 2400fps with easily sub moa accuracy. 300 win mag energy at the muzzle. A 1x scope that you could accurately dial at longer ranges would be deadly.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #126 on: January 04, 2021, 09:00:23 AM »
"There are no solutions, only tradeoffs..." looks like muzzleloader seasons will need a trimming once again. Part of the problem is them calling it a "muzzleoader season", if it were "primitive firearm" then it wouldn't have been so easily *censored*ized by all the technology designed for small Eastern farms and MZ/shotgun seasons.

I'm currently blessed with impeccable eyesight and I hope when that fades, I can bow out gracefully without demanding a rule change. Same for archery, eventually I'll hang it up and not  :'( for a crossbow season.

A 1x scope in the hands of an average shooter could double or triple the perceived effective range of a muzzleloaded rifle.
:yeah:

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #127 on: January 04, 2021, 09:54:00 AM »
No scopes period thatís my  :twocents: sorry for the guys with aging or just bad eye sight but there needs to be a stopping point or limitation to muzzleloaders and I think having a sealed breach and 209ís should be the end


 Perzactly !! Already a great edge with the sealed breach and 209 now

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #128 on: January 04, 2021, 10:02:34 AM »
Good luck.  :tup:

That bullet is deadly a LOT farther than we can effectively see through iron sights.

 :yeah:

With the latest muzzleloaders and modern primers you can shoot a high bc (high for muzzleloader bullets) 300gr .45 cal bullet at over 2400fps with easily sub moa accuracy.

Easily sub MOA? Funny how I never see many sub MOA guys with modern rifles. A lot of talk.. but little doing at the range. Field conditions with a muzzleloader? Not happening often. :twocents:
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #129 on: January 04, 2021, 11:24:09 AM »
Yeah probably not easily in most cases but you certainly don't need sub-MOA to kill deer and elk at 200-300 yards. Point is that field conditions are easier to shoot farther and more accurately with a scope of any power.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #130 on: January 04, 2021, 12:51:57 PM »
No scopes period thatís my  :twocents: sorry for the guys with aging or just bad eye sight but there needs to be a stopping point or limitation to muzzleloaders and I think having a sealed breach and 209ís should be the end

I say- take away sealed breaches, sabots and 209's.  Everyone should be packing a Hawken...Put a 1x scope on it if you like.  8)  The glassware isn't where you got away from tradition!

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #131 on: January 04, 2021, 01:02:05 PM »
I was against all those changes but none are as pertinent as the glass issue since I already lost the other battles.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #132 on: January 04, 2021, 01:24:09 PM »
I say take anything you can get. Not that often the WDFW gives rather than takes. And while your at it make BPCR legal also.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #133 on: January 04, 2021, 01:37:18 PM »
I say take anything you can get. Not that often the WDFW gives rather than takes. And while your at it make BPCR legal also.

Itís not a positive change if it leads to shorter seasons or more restrictions elsewhere for the muzzy community.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #134 on: January 04, 2021, 01:40:37 PM »
I say take anything you can get. Not that often the WDFW gives rather than takes. And while your at it make BPCR legal also.

Itís not a positive change if it leads to shorter seasons or more restrictions elsewhere for the muzzy community.

I agree this only leads to shorter season other restrictions. At what point do they just combine modern and muzzy seasons?

 


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