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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #465 on: February 14, 2021, 08:37:41 PM »
Iím trying to figure out how to pin the power ring on 1x on this NF NX8...haha

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #466 on: February 14, 2021, 08:53:35 PM »
Iím trying to figure out how to pin the power ring on 1x on this NF NX8...haha

JB weld is awesome.. :)

Haha.  Unless I want to be able to remove and use 8x in Utah!

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #467 on: February 14, 2021, 09:01:06 PM »
What about some loc-tite?  Could you put a small dot on and then remove later with soldering pencil?

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #468 on: February 14, 2021, 09:09:40 PM »
You guys are the best!   :chuckle:

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #469 on: February 14, 2021, 09:17:19 PM »
Iím trying to figure out how to pin the power ring on 1x on this NF NX8...haha

JB weld is awesome.. :)

Haha.  Unless I want to be able to remove and use 8x in Utah!

Or you can just use it on 1x and leave it unpinned.
Like most hunters are gonna due anyway.
Available 1x scopes sucks and it's gonna happen that most hunter will just throw whatever on there. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Will say with that CONGRATS guys ,might as well make the most of the opportunity.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #470 on: February 14, 2021, 10:58:19 PM »
You can mount a telescope on a muzzleloader for all I care. I've been muzzy hunting for 20 years and I have yet to see a technological advancement that turns crappy hunters into good ones. A vast majority of the muzzy hunters out there can't or won't put in the effort to become proficient with a muzzleloader. It goes way beyond just looking through a scope and pulling the trigger. Powder and bullet selection, consistency in loading, gun cleanliness and lots of practice have more to do with success than the sight. I don't care either way. I've been successful 20 years in a row by busting my butt and hunting hard. A 1x scope won't make animals magically appear in front of hunters who don't put in the effort. What this rule change will do is entice some people to try muzzleloader hunting and then quit after the first year when they realize that the scope wasn't a magic pill.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #471 on: February 15, 2021, 08:57:52 AM »
You can mount a telescope on a muzzleloader for all I care. I've been muzzy hunting for 20 years and I have yet to see a technological advancement that turns crappy hunters into good ones. A vast majority of the muzzy hunters out there can't or won't put in the effort to become proficient with a muzzleloader. It goes way beyond just looking through a scope and pulling the trigger. Powder and bullet selection, consistency in loading, gun cleanliness and lots of practice have more to do with success than the sight. I don't care either way. I've been successful 20 years in a row by busting my butt and hunting hard. A 1x scope won't make animals magically appear in front of hunters who don't put in the effort. What this rule change will do is entice some people to try muzzleloader hunting and then quit after the first year when they realize that the scope wasn't a magic pill.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #472 on: February 15, 2021, 09:07:23 AM »
Iím trying to figure out how to pin the power ring on 1x on this NF NX8...haha

JB weld is awesome.. :)

Haha.  Unless I want to be able to remove and use 8x in Utah!

Or you can just use it on 1x and leave it unpinned.
Like most hunters are gonna due anyway.
Available 1x scopes sucks and it's gonna happen that most hunter will just throw whatever on there. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Will say with that CONGRATS guys ,might as well make the most of the opportunity.

Im trying to follow your logic here, are you saying that if this passes itís going to turn muzzy guys into cheaters and poachers too?  :dunno:

Technology doesnít turn a person into a cheater. I have news for you those that will cheat are cheating now regardless of a 1x scope. This isnít going to recruit more poachers any more than any technology advancement of that past hasnít destroyed the herds.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #473 on: February 15, 2021, 09:27:06 AM »
Technology hasn't destroyed herds?

People popping mules out past 500 yards in a burn hasn't led to reductions in opportunities?

I think a 1x scope will have people shooting further, If legal I'll mount one and see how far I can push it. 

I'm not a purist, I'm just in it for the seasons.


Bows are my thing, I like the idea of a range finding sight on my bow, its in the proposal too.

It'll help me make those snap shots that bucks run away while I'm digging out my handheld range finder, now It'll be right on the bow!

Sweet!  More tech please!

(But I'm under no illusions that It'll *not* result in more animals shot)

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #474 on: February 15, 2021, 09:46:23 AM »
Iím trying to figure out how to pin the power ring on 1x on this NF NX8...haha

JB weld is awesome.. :)

Haha.  Unless I want to be able to remove and use 8x in Utah!

Or you can just use it on 1x and leave it unpinned.
Like most hunters are gonna due anyway.
Available 1x scopes sucks and it's gonna happen that most hunter will just throw whatever on there. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Will say with that CONGRATS guys ,might as well make the most of the opportunity.
I would like to see that one explained to a warden.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #475 on: February 15, 2021, 09:50:31 AM »
Iím trying to figure out how to pin the power ring on 1x on this NF NX8...haha

JB weld is awesome.. :)

Haha.  Unless I want to be able to remove and use 8x in Utah!

Or you can just use it on 1x and leave it unpinned.
Like most hunters are gonna due anyway.
Available 1x scopes sucks and it's gonna happen that most hunter will just throw whatever on there. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Will say with that CONGRATS guys ,might as well make the most of the opportunity.

Im trying to follow your logic here, are you saying that if this passes itís going to turn muzzy guys into cheaters and poachers too?  :dunno:

Technology doesnít turn a person into a cheater. I have news for you those that will cheat are cheating now regardless of a 1x scope. This isnít going to recruit more poachers any more than any technology advancement of that past hasnít destroyed the herds.

I was simply implying that seems as though finding 1 power scopes sucks. Not much being available.
They should just make all scopes legal in my mind .
As far as cheating or poaching ,they should just allow all or none that's my opinion.
I'm not trying to encourage illegal activities(we don't even know the final decision) .But whatever this or that hunter does is nonya ,to me anyway.
I let people take responsibility for themselves and worry about my self. I look the other way 99/100 times.

What are some of you guys gonna do if it has to be a fixed power scope ? Meaning No adjustment at all.

I don't really want to debate technology,all that really matters is what WDFW say to what is legal or not. As far as technology advances.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #477 on: February 15, 2021, 11:38:03 AM »
Here is your 1x scope.  Speculators opportunity.  Starts now!

https://www.amazon.com/EOTECH-512-A65-Tactical-HOLOgraphic-Batteries/dp/B000KKFVRC/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=eotech-rd-512xbow&qid=1613414631&sr=8-4
I'm no expert ,but are they gonna allow illuminated or battery operated reticle.Just asking  :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #478 on: February 15, 2021, 11:49:35 AM »
Never mind it looks like no electric devices can be attached to a muzzleloader ,unless they change that rule too. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #479 on: February 15, 2021, 12:03:47 PM »
My understanding is that section 3 (b) is the only regulation under consideration. Section 3 (c) would remain in effect.



WAC 220-414-060

Muzzleloading firearms.
(1) Definitions.
(a) Muzzleloader: A firearm that is loaded from the muzzle and uses black powder or a black powder substitute as recommended by the manufacturer for use in all muzzleloading firearms.
(b) A muzzleloading firearm shall be considered loaded if a powder charge and a projectile, either shot or single projectile are in the barrel and the barrel or breech is capped or primed.
(2) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife using a muzzleloading firearm that does not meet the following specifications:
(a) A muzzleloading shotgun or rifle must have a single or double barrel, rifled or smooth-bored.
(b) A muzzleloading shotgun or rifle used for deer must be .40 caliber or larger. Buckshot size #1 or larger may be used in a smoothbore of .60 caliber or larger for deer.
(c) A muzzleloading shotgun, rifle, or handgun used for all other big game must be .45 caliber or larger.
(d) Persons lawfully hunting small game with a double barrel, muzzleloading shotgun may keep both barrels loaded.
(e) A muzzleloading handgun must have a single or double barrel of at least eight inches, must be rifled, and must be capable of being loaded with forty-five grains or more of black powder or black powder substitute per the manufacturer's recommendations.
(f) A muzzleloading handgun used for big game must be .45 caliber or larger.
(g) A handgun designed to be used with black powder, including black powder percussion revolvers, can be used to hunt forest grouse, cottontail rabbits, and snowshoe hares.
(3) In addition to the above requirements, it is unlawful to participate (hunt) in a muzzleloading hunting season using a firearm that does not meet the following specifications for a muzzleloader. However, a modern handgun may be carried for personal protection. Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during a big game hunting season for muzzleloading firearms.
(a) Ignition is to be wheel lock, matchlock, flintlock, or percussion. Primers designed to be used in modern cartridges are legal.
(b) Sights must be open, peep, or of other open sight design. Fiber optic sights are legal. Telescopic sights or sights containing glass are prohibited.
(c) It is unlawful to have any electrical device or equipment attached to a muzzleloading firearm while hunting.
(d) Those persons lawfully hunting big game with a double barrel muzzleloader may only keep one barrel loaded.
(4) Muzzleloading firearms used during a modern firearm season are not required to meet ignition, sight, or double barrel restrictions.
(5) A violation of this section is punishable under RCW 77.15.400, 77.15.410, or 77.15.430, depending on the species hunted.
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