Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?

[Special T]

Rumor is that there were two WDFW employees betting on which of two topics would generate most pages of discussion on this forum.  Some lucky person will be enjoying a steak dinner Friday night.

Its always interesting talking to folks from behind the curtain.

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[Russ McDonald]

I listened to the presentation and this is the just of it:
WDFW requested to not move forward with the rules presented because they need more time to process.
The WDFW does not object to the rule changes and mention that most will move forward by 2022 abs possibly a few this year.
Since the rules don’t involve bag limits or seasons then the do not need to be processed at this time.
The commission was given an opportunity to comment on the WDFW recommendation and none chose to do so.
There will be no change to the rules.

Exactly.  That was being said right when i was writing so the talking and walking took affect.  Write post and not listen. 🤣.  I am still listening.  I do a lot of this type meetings with chapters of the NWTF.  This is sometimes a cluster.

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[CBP1888]

This is the typical Government Bureaucracy.  I would have liked someone from the commission to ask what exactly is left that the WDFW needs more time to review.

Let’s break it down:
A change to the WAC was proposed to allow 1x scopes.
There was a public comment period. Over 60% approved.
The proposal was changed to allow red dots.
WDFW recommended to move forward with change.
At the LAST minute a few WDFW employees decided they needed additional time to review aka we are not moving forward and it has been tabled. Unless, just maybe, because of the lack of 1x scopes they’re going to open it up to all magnifications.

[full choke]

Open sights 

[Russ McDonald]

This is the typical Government Bureaucracy.  I would have liked someone from the commission to ask what exactly is left that the WDFW needs more time to review.

Let’s break it down:
A change to the WAC was proposed to allow 1x scopes.
There was a public comment period. Over 60% approved.
The proposal was changed to allow red dots.
WDFW recommended to move forward with change.
At the LAST minute a few WDFW employees decided they needed additional time to review aka we are not moving forward and it has been tabled. Unless, just maybe, because of the lack of 1x scopes there going to open it up to all magnifications.

Actually there was questions from the commision in March


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[bobcat]

Unless, just maybe, because of the lack of 1x scopes there going to open it up to all magnifications.

That's kind of what I was thinking- that perhaps the issue was 1x scopes aren't even an option to buy, except a very few used ones, so it could be that they'll go with all scopes can be used, next time there's a chance to adjust hunting regulations.

[polishstunner]

So guys that got outbid and struggled to find them complained and got their way.  Everyone deserves a medal. 

Production of the scopes should not be a factor. 

[Ghost Hunter]

Unless, just maybe, because of the lack of 1x scopes there going to open it up to all magnifications.

That's kind of what I was thinking- that perhaps the issue was 1x scopes aren't even an option to buy, except a very few used ones, so it could be that they'll go with all scopes can be used, next time there's a chance to adjust hunting regulations.

1x Red Dots are readily available.  One just arrived in the mail today.  And a few people been buying up 1x scopes like ammo.   

[bobcat]

So guys that got outbid and struggled to find them complained and got their way.  Everyone deserves a medal. 

Production of the scopes should not be a factor.

It may have nothing to do with it. I have no idea. Was just speculating.

However it does seem kind of ridiculous to say we can use 1x scopes when that is not even something that people can buy. If they made it something like 4x magnification as a maximum it would be a lot better. Or even 2x or 3x would probably open up a few more options.

[BULLBLASTER]

So guys that got outbid and struggled to find them complained and got their way.  Everyone deserves a medal. 

Production of the scopes should not be a factor.

It may have nothing to do with it. I have no idea. Was just speculating.

However it does seem kind of ridiculous to say we can use 1x scopes when that is not even something that people can buy. If they made it something like 4x magnification as a maximum it would be a lot better. Or even 2x or 3x would probably open up a few more options.

I think the slippery slope argument has been brought up in this thread before, and if that is indeed the reasoning for tabling it i guess it was correct.

[gee_unit360]

Keep it primitive. If you can’t see your open sights switch to modern. Just my 

[Tenkara]

Keep it primitive. If you can’t see your open sights switch to modern. Just my 

I wouldn't consider a 209 inline close to primitive.

[full choke]

Keep it primitive. If you can’t see your open sights switch to modern. Just my 

I wouldn't consider a 209 inline close to primitive.

Which is why they never should have allowed 209 primers.
Probably shouldn't have allowed inlines either.

[dilleytech]

Unless, just maybe, because of the lack of 1x scopes there going to open it up to all magnifications.

That's kind of what I was thinking- that perhaps the issue was 1x scopes aren't even an option to buy, except a very few used ones, so it could be that they'll go with all scopes can be used, next time there's a chance to adjust hunting regulations.

As if 1x red dots aren’t available all over the internet. No one should have a hard time finding glass.

[B4noon]

Watched some of the meeting and smith and koontz almost derailed bear season with a motion to ammend luckily it didn’t pass smith watch out for these 2 in the future molly and McIsaac questioned her agenda will be fun meetings coming in the future I’m sure