Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?

[kentrek]

"Hey Dad , what was it like to hunt branched bulls every year in Washington?"
 
 

[hunter399]

I do hope if they do allow scopes they just allow all scopes ,it just makes it harder for enforcement if they just allow 1x .
Over the course of a few years most guys will just throw any old scope on there anyway.Besides we will have the same discussion 3 years from now ,so go big or go home I say.
Just give muzzleloader what they want and be done with it.

[millerwheeler]

I do hope if they do allow scopes they just allow all scopes ,it just makes it harder for enforcement if they just allow 1x .
Over the course of a few years most guys will just throw any old scope on there anyway.Besides we will have the same discussion 3 years from now ,so go big or go home I say.
Just give muzzleloader what they want and be done with it.

Doesn’t look like a lot of us want it , so what ya were trying to say is give the guys who are about finished there scopes

[Wizekrakr]

Why not just allow rifles?

You know cause they claim there eye sight ,  the range ,and blah blah blah that’s exactly what they want without coming out and saying it .

I really dislike the idea of ones eyesight as the reasoning for allowing scopes. Tjere comes a time that we all eventually wont be able to do the things we love, and thats part of it.

Heck i am not very old and my eyes have a tough time with open and peep sights. So i drastically reduce my effective range. For me personally, a muzzy is a sub 100 yard thing. But give me a 1x scope and i could stretch that much, much farther. I am very against any scopes on muzzys.

The reality!! Amen.  I agree, I can't see my damn sights anymore and I am just too stubborn to give up my love of muzzle loader hunting.  I have 2 1x scopes in my shop that I could put on my rifles and keep going a couple more years.

[pd]

I will play Satan's Defender on this one. 

As far as I understand it, a fixed 1x riflescope adds no advantage over iron sights, in that there is no magnification (by definition).  Sure, almost all of us are now accustomed to reticles on riflescopes, and that would make it easier to fix on a target.  But isn't this the same argument against fibre optic sights??

The F&W Commission did a good thing a few years ago when they allowed the use of lighted nocks for archery.  I see this issue as an extension of that same line of thinking--the proposed equipment adds no explicit advantage, and, therefore, there is no reason to oppose it.

[dilleytech]

That would be a fun fly on the wall moment. "But officer, can't you see I JB welded the power ring in the 1x position?"

Sure why not? Shotguns are capable of holding 5 shells but we put a stick in the tube to reduce it to 3. I don’t see any practical difference.

[dilleytech]

I will play Satan's Defender on this one. 

As far as I understand it, a fixed 1x riflescope adds no advantage over iron sights, in that there is no magnification (by definition).  Sure, almost all of us are now accustomed to reticles on riflescopes, and that would make it easier to fix on a target.  But isn't this the same argument against fibre optic sights??

The F&W Commission did a good thing a few years ago when they allowed the use of lighted nocks for archery.  I see this issue as an extension of that same line of thinking--the proposed equipment adds no explicit advantage, and, therefore, there is no reason to oppose it.

But the 1x scope does create a massive advantage. A range advantage. Of course so do peep sights and front cross hairs. But to a lesser degree.

Lighted knocks  do not aid in killing an animal. It only aids in the recovery of an animal after the deed is done. Thus probably resulting in LESS killed animals. A scope on a muzzy would increase the lethality of muzzy hunting. Maybe more wounded game due to longer shots being taken? They still won’t bleed and will get lost.

[emac]

For all you that wanna put a scope on a muzzy and hunt I am pretty sure you can do it during modern deer and elk season, spring bear, fall bear and cougar season.  So if you wanna use a muzzy with scope just do it during one of those seasons.  Leave muzzy the way it is.  I wish they wouldn't have went to 209 either.

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[carpsniperg2]

That would be a fun fly on the wall moment. "But officer, can't you see I JB welded the power ring in the 1x position?"

Sure why not? Shotguns are capable of holding 5 shells but we put a stick in the tube to reduce it to 3. I don’t see any practical difference.

Exactly my redneck thoughts!! Heck I would tack weld it if it wouldn’t melt the tube lol if she don’t turn then it should be good to go.

[Dan-o]

Have I mentioned that I hope it passes?

[Bunny Thumper]

Keep primitive seasons primitive! We’ve already allowed to much technology in our primitive seasons. If you want to hunt with a scope buy a modern firearm tag. My eyes  don’t work like they used to either but I don’t expect anyone to change the rules for me and I do hunt archery and muzzle loader.
While we’re on the subject, let’s outlaw removable scope mounts on muzzle loaders during primitive seasons. There are lots of people with removable scope mounts on their muzzle loaders and a scope in their pack for when no one’s looking.

[Russ McDonald]

Keep primitive seasons primitive! We’ve already allowed to much technology in our primitive seasons. If you want to hunt with a scope buy a modern firearm tag. My eyes  don’t work like they used to either but I don’t expect anyone to change the rules for me and I do hunt archery and muzzle loader.
While we’re on the subject, let’s outlaw removable scope mounts on muzzle loaders during primitive seasons. There are lots of people with removable scope mounts on their muzzle loaders and a scope in their pack for when no one’s looking.

This is just my opionion but if your talking primitive fixed power and telescoping scopes have been on muzzle loaders since the civil war.
https://riflescopescenter-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/riflescopescenter.com/history-of-rifle-scopes-and-their-use-by-sharpshooters/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#amp_ct=1609694902211&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16096945125630&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Friflescopescenter.com%2Fhistory-of-rifle-scopes-and-their-use-by-sharpshooters%2F
I am pretty sure after the war they were wildly used for hunting.  Just throwing that out there.

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[Stein]

That would be a fun fly on the wall moment. "But officer, can't you see I JB welded the power ring in the 1x position?"

Sure why not? Shotguns are capable of holding 5 shells but we put a stick in the tube to reduce it to 3. I don’t see any practical difference.

Exactly my redneck thoughts!! Heck I would tack weld it if it wouldn’t melt the tube lol if she don’t turn then it should be good to go.

Practically, it would be a 1 power, but it's still a 3 power scope.  The shotgun rule is written to specifically allow plugs where this one is specifically written to only allow 1 power scopes.

[Ghost Hunter]

My eyes have been bad for years.  I continue to find it harder to focus with open sights.  Tremors get worse and I can't hold steady without a rest.  Stopped climbing the highest mountains and crossing the steepest and deepest canyons that I have in the past.   I'll adapt and keep hunting in WA.  Changing a few rules to be more in line with many other states, I don't have an issue with.  But I won't settle for the rocking chair and memories.

[Bob33]

That would be a fun fly on the wall moment. "But officer, can't you see I JB welded the power ring in the 1x position?"

Sure why not? Shotguns are capable of holding 5 shells but we put a stick in the tube to reduce it to 3. I don’t see any practical difference.

Exactly my redneck thoughts!! Heck I would tack weld it if it wouldn’t melt the tube lol if she don’t turn then it should be good to go.

Practically, it would be a 1 power, but it's still a 3 power scope.  The shotgun rule is written to specifically allow plugs where this one is specifically written to only allow 1 power scopes.

I don't see the difference.

"(2) It is unlawful to hunt game birds with a shotgun capable of holding more than three shells."