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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2021, 02:00:13 PM »
for a .22lr Id just do a form 1..  Save the time and money.

Too bad your not closer, Ive considered a form4 big can

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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2021, 04:59:40 PM »
for a .22lr Id just do a form 1..  Save the time and money.

Too bad your not closer, Ive considered a form4 big can

What time and money is being saved by manufacturing a suppressor on a Form 1?
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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2021, 05:06:37 PM »
for a .22lr Id just do a form 1..  Save the time and money.

Too bad your not closer, Ive considered a form4 big can

What time and money is being saved by manufacturing a suppressor on a Form 1?

The majority of the money and probably a third to a half of the time  :tup:
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2021, 06:14:41 PM »
for a .22lr Id just do a form 1..  Save the time and money.

Too bad your not closer, Ive considered a form4 big can

What time and money is being saved by manufacturing a suppressor on a Form 1?

The majority of the money and probably a third to a half of the time  :tup:

So....you don't have an actual number to show.

So let's say you get a kit for $130 - $460

Kit $130
Tooling $100
Shipping ??
Tax stamp $200
Engraving $30
Fingerprint cards: Free
Fingerprint pad: $7
Passport style image/photo:
Total $467 might be some more tax added on that depending on where you bought from.
No warranty. You mess up the manufacturing, it's your loss.
Now how we do quantify your time for manufacturing?
So that's the lowest cost option that I see.
Wait time: 30 days - 225 days


OSS Rad 22 $395 + tax through SilencerShop
Tax Stamp $205
Fingerprinting Free
Passport style image Free
Shipping Free
$600
Warranty, proven R&D, after sale support and not the least cost .22lr suppressor currently available.
Price difference of $133


Let's see, I could throw a SilencerCo Warlock 22 into that equation.
SilencerCo Warlock 22 $244 + tax through SilencerShop
Tax Stamp $205
Fingerprinting Free
Passport style image Free
Shipping Free
$449
Warranty, proven R&D, after sale support.
Price difference -$18.00

Wait times for Form 4/factory made suppressors 212 days - 378 days

Stating that a Form 1 suppressor will save you time and money, that's not a genuine statement.



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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2021, 06:21:21 PM »

Stating that a Form 1 suppressor will save you time and money, that's not a genuine statement.

Surprised you dont know much about Form1's, since you sell cans...

A simple 22lr can, can be had for $15 - the moon if you custom build one.  I think my sico sparrow was around 400?

I have $3-400 into my 30cal form 1 can, we put it up against a sico omega 30 and the sico owner said he is going to build his own from now on.

You need no special tooling.

Wait time for a form1 is under 30 days, all mine have been 22-26 day waits.

And the stamp costs the same, no matter what form you use...

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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2021, 07:37:35 PM »

Stating that a Form 1 suppressor will save you time and money, that's not a genuine statement.

Surprised you dont know much about Form1's, since you sell cans...

A simple 22lr can, can be had for $15 - the moon if you custom build one.  I think my sico sparrow was around 400?

I have $3-400 into my 30cal form 1 can, we put it up against a sico omega 30 and the sico owner said he is going to build his own from now on.

You need no special tooling.

Wait time for a form1 is under 30 days, all mine have been 22-26 day waits.

And the stamp costs the same, no matter what form you use...

What exactly are you surprised about? Nothing I wrote was incorrect. Form 1's have nothing to do with selling suppressors. I actually understand the process just fine.

Yes, the tax stamp is $200 no matter what form you use, and as I wrote "$205" when you're purchasing a suppressor through SilencerShop is also correct. https://www.silencershop.com/form-4-tax-stamp.html

A person does need a tool of some sort to complete the manufacturing process. Perhaps all they need is drill and a cutter. Perhaps they need a drill jig as well. If they don't have either, they will need to acquire one. A drill may not be special, but, if you don't have one, it will have to be acquired.

As for your friend, that's great.  I don't know what all metrics you used to compare and what the results are but, good for both of you getting out there to compare.
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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2021, 08:26:32 PM »

Stating that a Form 1 suppressor will save you time and money, that's not a genuine statement.

Surprised you dont know much about Form1's, since you sell cans...

A simple 22lr can, can be had for $15 - the moon if you custom build one.  I think my sico sparrow was around 400?

I have $3-400 into my 30cal form 1 can, we put it up against a sico omega 30 and the sico owner said he is going to build his own from now on.

You need no special tooling.

Wait time for a form1 is under 30 days, all mine have been 22-26 day waits.

And the stamp costs the same, no matter what form you use...

What exactly are you surprised about? Nothing I wrote was incorrect. Form 1's have nothing to do with selling suppressors. I actually understand the process just fine.

Yes, the tax stamp is $200 no matter what form you use, and as I wrote "$205" when you're purchasing a suppressor through SilencerShop is also correct. https://www.silencershop.com/form-4-tax-stamp.html

A person does need a tool of some sort to complete the manufacturing process. Perhaps all they need is drill and a cutter. Perhaps they need a drill jig as well. If they don't have either, they will need to acquire one. A drill may not be special, but, if you don't have one, it will have to be acquired.

As for your friend, that's great.  I don't know what all metrics you used to compare and what the results are but, good for both of you getting out there to compare.

I think you are forgetting that many people already have the tools and knowledge required to build a form-1 can, whether done from a solvent trap style kit, or completely from scratch.  For those people who already have the tools and knowledge, yes, it is a huge cost savings because each can costs just $200 for a stamp and $10-$300 in materials.  Recent reports say the wait times for form-1 is about a month--compared to about a year for a form-4.

If you are really pricing out your time for manufacturing, then sure that would add some cost. But for me, I'd rather build a form-1 can in the garage than watch a football game on TV. The time to build the can is free entertainment for me.
 
As for quality and if you mess it up....?  Many people are competent enough with shop tools to build a can without messing it up.  Go slow, measure twice, cut once.  No problem.

For people who don't have knowledge or access to shop tools, form-4 cans are great.  For people who just want to pay money and have someone else guarantee that it is built right, form-4 cans are great.  For people who want to know exactly what decibel rating and other spec's their can will have before they purchase, form-4 cans are great.

For people who have a set budget of say $1,000 and would rather do some machining themselves and end up with 4 cans instead of just 1, form-1 cans are great.

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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2021, 08:30:13 PM »
for a .22lr Id just do a form 1..  Save the time and money.

Too bad your not closer, Ive considered a form4 big can

What time and money is being saved by manufacturing a suppressor on a Form 1?

The majority of the money and probably a third to a half of the time  :tup:

So....you don't have an actual number to show.

So let's say you get a kit for $130 - $460

Kit $130
Tooling $100
Shipping ??
Tax stamp $200
Engraving $30
Fingerprint cards: Free
Fingerprint pad: $7
Passport style image/photo:
Total $467 might be some more tax added on that depending on where you bought from.
No warranty. You mess up the manufacturing, it's your loss.
Now how we do quantify your time for manufacturing?
So that's the lowest cost option that I see.
Wait time: 30 days - 225 days


OSS Rad 22 $395 + tax through SilencerShop
Tax Stamp $205
Fingerprinting Free
Passport style image Free
Shipping Free
$600
Warranty, proven R&D, after sale support and not the least cost .22lr suppressor currently available.
Price difference of $133


Let's see, I could throw a SilencerCo Warlock 22 into that equation.
SilencerCo Warlock 22 $244 + tax through SilencerShop
Tax Stamp $205
Fingerprinting Free
Passport style image Free
Shipping Free
$449
Warranty, proven R&D, after sale support.
Price difference -$18.00

Wait times for Form 4/factory made suppressors 212 days - 378 days

Stating that a Form 1 suppressor will save you time and money, that's not a genuine statement.

I'm able to look at what I spent on a form one build and compare it to what it would have cost elsewhere and it's a lot more than a $18 difference.

Happy for you that you're making money off suppressors but I don't need a lecture about what I have in my hand
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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2021, 09:48:50 PM »

Stating that a Form 1 suppressor will save you time and money, that's not a genuine statement.

Surprised you dont know much about Form1's, since you sell cans...

A simple 22lr can, can be had for $15 - the moon if you custom build one.  I think my sico sparrow was around 400?

I have $3-400 into my 30cal form 1 can, we put it up against a sico omega 30 and the sico owner said he is going to build his own from now on.

You need no special tooling.

Wait time for a form1 is under 30 days, all mine have been 22-26 day waits.

And the stamp costs the same, no matter what form you use...

What exactly are you surprised about? Nothing I wrote was incorrect. Form 1's have nothing to do with selling suppressors. I actually understand the process just fine.

Yes, the tax stamp is $200 no matter what form you use, and as I wrote "$205" when you're purchasing a suppressor through SilencerShop is also correct. https://www.silencershop.com/form-4-tax-stamp.html

A person does need a tool of some sort to complete the manufacturing process. Perhaps all they need is drill and a cutter. Perhaps they need a drill jig as well. If they don't have either, they will need to acquire one. A drill may not be special, but, if you don't have one, it will have to be acquired.

As for your friend, that's great.  I don't know what all metrics you used to compare and what the results are but, good for both of you getting out there to compare.

I think you are forgetting that many people already have the tools and knowledge required to build a form-1 can, whether done from a solvent trap style kit, or completely from scratch.  For those people who already have the tools and knowledge, yes, it is a huge cost savings because each can costs just $200 for a stamp and $10-$300 in materials.  Recent reports say the wait times for form-1 is about a month--compared to about a year for a form-4.

If you are really pricing out your time for manufacturing, then sure that would add some cost. But for me, I'd rather build a form-1 can in the garage than watch a football game on TV. The time to build the can is free entertainment for me.
 
As for quality and if you mess it up....?  Many people are competent enough with shop tools to build a can without messing it up.  Go slow, measure twice, cut once.  No problem.

For people who don't have knowledge or access to shop tools, form-4 cans are great.  For people who just want to pay money and have someone else guarantee that it is built right, form-4 cans are great.  For people who want to know exactly what decibel rating and other spec's their can will have before they purchase, form-4 cans are great.

For people who have a set budget of say $1,000 and would rather do some machining themselves and end up with 4 cans instead of just 1, form-1 cans are great.

Nope, haven't forgotten anything and you've made some great points that align with what I previously said.

for a .22lr Id just do a form 1..  Save the time and money.

Too bad your not closer, Ive considered a form4 big can

What time and money is being saved by manufacturing a suppressor on a Form 1?

The majority of the money and probably a third to a half of the time  :tup:

So....you don't have an actual number to show.

So let's say you get a kit for $130 - $460

Kit $130
Tooling $100
Shipping ??
Tax stamp $200
Engraving $30
Fingerprint cards: Free
Fingerprint pad: $7
Passport style image/photo:
Total $467 might be some more tax added on that depending on where you bought from.
No warranty. You mess up the manufacturing, it's your loss.
Now how we do quantify your time for manufacturing?
So that's the lowest cost option that I see.
Wait time: 30 days - 225 days


OSS Rad 22 $395 + tax through SilencerShop
Tax Stamp $205
Fingerprinting Free
Passport style image Free
Shipping Free
$600
Warranty, proven R&D, after sale support and not the least cost .22lr suppressor currently available.
Price difference of $133


Let's see, I could throw a SilencerCo Warlock 22 into that equation.
SilencerCo Warlock 22 $244 + tax through SilencerShop
Tax Stamp $205
Fingerprinting Free
Passport style image Free
Shipping Free
$449
Warranty, proven R&D, after sale support.
Price difference -$18.00

Wait times for Form 4/factory made suppressors 212 days - 378 days

Stating that a Form 1 suppressor will save you time and money, that's not a genuine statement.

I'm able to look at what I spent on a form one build and compare it to what it would have cost elsewhere and it's a lot more than a $18 difference.

Happy for you that you're making money off suppressors but I don't need a lecture about what I have in my hand

Well, what is the difference?
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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2021, 10:14:50 PM »
About half the money and half the time, like I said earlier. A touch over $500 including stamp for a .30 cal.

I've got nothing against the Form 4 route. I just hope some folks who are trying to ball on a budget spend the extra time and learn just how easy, fast and quality a Form 1 setup can be.
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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2021, 11:30:37 PM »
I like others have a desire to hunt suppressed, but the added length Is very undesirable.

Do you have any overbarrel suppressors that you recommend? Adding 4-5” sounds much better than 8+.


I dream of a day when more firearms have integrated suppressors like that ruger 10-22 and that gunwerks light saber.
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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2021, 07:12:58 AM »
I like others have a desire to hunt suppressed, but the added length Is very undesirable.

Do you have any overbarrel suppressors that you recommend? Adding 4-5” sounds much better than 8+.


I dream of a day when more firearms have integrated suppressors like that ruger 10-22 and that gunwerks light saber.
I don’t have anything like that on hand. What type of firearms do you hunt with?


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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2021, 10:44:10 AM »
I mostly hunt with bolt action rifles, and I don't currently have a gun that is threaded for a muzzle device. So in all honestly I am not looking to purchases a suppressor right this second, but I have been seriously mulling over some potential gun builds that would be optimized for a suppressor, not just something that gets thrown on as an afterthought.

The one I am really cranking on in my head is a SBR with a suppressor for still hunting Roosevelt elk and Blacktails. I generally have enough time to get my ear protection in for the kind of mule deer and bear hunting I do, but still hunting its not often an option.

I know I am a very particular person, especially when it comes to mechanical things like guns.  But I really feel that for high adoption rates in hunting we need some suppressor options that integrate so well to the gun you forget they are even there.

I don’t have anything like that on hand. What type of firearms do you hunt with?


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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2021, 12:16:35 PM »
but the added length Is very undesirable.
You may be the only guy that's ever said that. :chuckle:

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

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Re: Suppressors - Silencers - Silencer Shop
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2021, 12:37:38 PM »
but the added length Is very undesirable.
You may be the only guy that's ever said that. :chuckle:

Sorry, couldn't help myself.


A few of us have to deal issues regarding already being too large  ;)
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