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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2021, 02:48:32 PM »
IMO, the way I read it is pelt = skin, not a portion thereof, with evidence of sex attached.  I, myself, don't need any further clarification.
 I will bring out the pelt, defined as the way I interpreted it, as it is the law, regardless if I agree with it or not.

Thanks for proving the point.  It is not up to your interpretation.

So, hunters need to bring in the entire pelt including the head and paws?
Preferably in a black garbage sack apparently, since I read it on hw

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2021, 03:04:22 PM »
Frustrating

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2021, 09:17:10 PM »
Had to do this in SE Alaska for as long as I can recall. Not an issue. Although the Alaska sealing requirements say the claws and proof of sex must remain naturally attached until sealed. They take a premolar for aging.

Iím happy to help them collect data.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2021, 07:36:53 AM »
Had to do this in SE Alaska for as long as I can recall. Not an issue. Although the Alaska sealing requirements say the claws and proof of sex must remain naturally attached until sealed. They take a premolar for aging.

Iím happy to help them collect data.

So in Alaska a strip 3Ē wide from proof of sex to a claw would work?

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2021, 07:45:27 AM »
Had to do this in SE Alaska for as long as I can recall. Not an issue. Although the Alaska sealing requirements say the claws and proof of sex must remain naturally attached until sealed. They take a premolar for aging.

Iím happy to help them collect data.

So in Alaska a strip 3Ē wide from proof of sex to a claw would work?

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2021, 07:54:20 AM »
I think Everyone is overthinking this since no one even has a tag yet. If I draw I will contact the game warden that is local to the unit I will be hunting and check with them Seems best to go with the interpretation of the person enforcing the rule .

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2021, 09:11:42 AM »
I think Everyone is overthinking this since no one even has a tag yet. If I draw I will contact the game warden that is local to the unit I will be hunting and check with them Seems best to go with the interpretation of the person enforcing the rule .

This will be great. Iím surprised no one has asked the question to someone who is paid to know the law.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2021, 09:25:38 AM »
I think Everyone is overthinking this since no one even has a tag yet. If I draw I will contact the game warden that is local to the unit I will be hunting and check with them Seems best to go with the interpretation of the person enforcing the rule .

This will be great. Iím surprised no one has asked the question to someone who is paid to know the law.
They are paid to enforce the law with evidence to the prosecuter.
But I agree the best advise is gonna come from a warden in this regards to the interpretation of the law.

The only reason I say it this way is cause it is very easy to be on the wrong side of the law.Depending on who's enforcing it.
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2021, 09:28:39 PM »
Had to do this in SE Alaska for as long as I can recall. Not an issue. Although the Alaska sealing requirements say the claws and proof of sex must remain naturally attached until sealed. They take a premolar for aging.

Iím happy to help them collect data.

So in Alaska a strip 3Ē wide from proof of sex to a claw would work?

Per their definition;

 skin, hide, or pelt of a bear means the entire external covering with claws attached.

So no, a 3Ē strip of hide wonít cut it.

Why is everyone so against bringing a bear hide to a fish and game office?
Idaho requires the same for wolves and I donít recall anyone complaining about it.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2021, 11:47:12 PM »
I think most of these comments must be coming from back country hunters shooting small meat bears that just donít wanna deal with the extra weight. I take all my hides big or small and at least get them tanned. Iím sure there might be a few taxidermist out there that might give you some credit towards other work for a good hide too

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2021, 06:30:19 AM »
Had to do this in SE Alaska for as long as I can recall. Not an issue. Although the Alaska sealing requirements say the claws and proof of sex must remain naturally attached until sealed. They take a premolar for aging.

Iím happy to help them collect data.

So in Alaska a strip 3Ē wide from proof of sex to a claw would work?

Per their definition;

 skin, hide, or pelt of a bear means the entire external covering with claws attached.

So no, a 3Ē strip of hide wonít cut it.

Why is everyone so against bringing a bear hide to a fish and game office?
Idaho requires the same for wolves and I donít recall anyone complaining about it.
Hillhound touched on it.  Cesapeake, have you hunted for bear miles off the road, on your back without stock?  Not being a dick, serious question, you may be hard core, I have no idea.  Last season I hiked in only 2 miles, they opened the spring season till the end of June because of the late start.  Because of the later season I almost expected to find a rubbed out bear, liking the meat, I was prepared to leave my first hide in the woods.  It actually was a nice Idea for a change, a lot less weight!!  The blues are steep as hell and the top and bottoms are a long way.  Well, my bear ended up with a really nice coat, and he was BIG!  So, I packed out the hide either way, really almost killed me. At 51 and many, many pack out trips in my past, I thought I was having a heart attack with this one.  Now to the point, If the rug was crap, all rubbed out, why should I have to pack it out?  There are a percentage of hunters out there that don't care about the hide, it's a lot of extra work and now they are forcing that on spring hunters.  Not sure why a patch of hide with evidence of sex isn't good enough? That is what they are after anyway.  I personally hate the new rule and will probably just not report the bear kill, (which I hate doing) or I'll just leave the hide and have the meat processed.  And you can't compare a wolf hide to a bear hide, not sure if anyone packs out the meat of a wolf and eats it, much more to deal with when you kill a bear.
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2021, 06:41:15 AM »
I think Everyone is overthinking this since no one even has a tag yet. If I draw I will contact the game warden that is local to the unit I will be hunting and check with them Seems best to go with the interpretation of the person enforcing the rule .

This will be great. Iím surprised no one has asked the question to someone who is paid to know the law.
What makes you think the question hasnt been asked? Just not answered?

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2021, 08:56:04 AM »
Trophy,

Iím in my 40ís, not self described as hard core.... Yes Iíve hunted the Blues as well as other steep places and passed bears due to the terrain. Donít use stock.
I understand the hide would be another 30-40# load to take out. 

In the context of having good data to support the continuation of good management I feel itís probably worth it.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2021, 09:16:52 AM »
I support the good data for management idea, I just donít think forcing people to pack something out they may not want to will get it done. Iím just saying why not a small part of the hide, the important part for sex ID and milk production.  Iíd like to hear from Wdfw on specifics, it should be addressed. 
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2021, 10:17:14 AM »
Unless I hear a definitive answer, they're getting a nutsack in a baggie and a tooth.

Unless I want the hide, or can roll it downhill into a truck.




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