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Re: Traitor - Ryan Busse
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2021, 11:56:48 AM »


Smells like a duck...
Yup. BHA board member...

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https://www.backcountryhunters.org/board_of_directors

Don't see him on the board link above....

BHA sticks to their mission: public lands, the preservation and access to them. BHA does not dip into gun rights just like you wouldn't expect NRA to stand up for public lands.

Busse's opinion on guns is his and not BHA's. Just like Romney and Cheney's opinions are theirs, not the GOP.
He isn't anymore.  He was for years. As far as the rest of your statement. You can try to justify their actions or lack there of anyway you like. But I'm still done with them. Have been for a few years. Their top guys are not the kind of people I want representing me.

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You don't want the top guys representing you because they are willing to reach across the aisle and work with other groups? They should only work with groups who share 100% the same values across the board. Hmm... sounds reasonable. Digging in and toeing the party line has been super productive in this great country recently... let's continue to believe that the "others" are the enemy on every topic and not be subjective.

What actions did BHA take or not take that have you fired up? Were you upset when their board in CA had a huge role in stopping the bear ban in CA? What about the work they have done in eastern states to allow hunting on Sundays? Work they are doing in Washington to add new access and hunting opportunity? Did they lead the charge on the LWCF - something that every single user of this forum benefits from?

Were you upset when the NRA didn't take a stand on the transfer of public lands? I didn't hear anything from them when CA bear ban was proposed. Are they involved in fighting the push to remove any hunting besides subsistence hunting in two units in AK?

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They don't reach across the aisle. They are already on the other side of the aisle.

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Just curious but can you actually name something that they have done or advocated for that you are against? Or is it just that they took money from groups you donít like? Would like to understand more as to what it is that is so repulsive about BHA
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Re: Traitor - Ryan Busse
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2021, 12:27:40 PM »
Interesting. I almost want to grab a copy just to see what he has to say.

The book isn't released yet and it's written by an industry insider and lifelong hunter.  Interesting to see the rabid right jump on it without reading it...but not surprising.  Cancel culture at its finest. :)
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Re: Traitor - Ryan Busse
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2021, 02:26:53 PM »
Smells like a duck...
Yup. BHA board member...

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https://www.backcountryhunters.org/board_of_directors

Don't see him on the board link above....

BHA sticks to their mission: public lands, the preservation and access to them. BHA does not dip into gun rights just like you wouldn't expect NRA to stand up for public lands.

Busse's opinion on guns is his and not BHA's. Just like Romney and Cheney's opinions are theirs, not the GOP.

I used to think BHA was a good one to support but after reading up on their lack of actual hunting advocacy, wildlife management opinions and for the support that they accept from anti hunting and anti 2A Iíll never give them another dollar.

Outside of not being staunch, vocal supporters of the 2A (not their mission) and not wanting every wolf in North America dead, what issues do you have with their hunting advocacy and wildlife management?

Blanket statements are easy, nuance isn't.

I encourage you to look at who their biggest donors are.  Western Conservation Foundation who is staunchly anti hunting/sciences based wildlife management. WCF supports a number of anti hunting groups. Wilburforce was their next biggest donor who also supports extreme environmentalist grounds like the Sierra Foundation. Wilburforces exec director was an executive at the Humane Society of the United States (not your local humane society) who is a huuuge anti hunting and animals rights group.

Follow the money. Their loyalty will be to those donors not their members. By all means if you believe in what they say then hand them over your hard earned dollars. Iíd rather hand mine to the mule deer foundation, RMEF and even TRCP.


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Re: Traitor - Ryan Busse
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 07:12:41 AM »
Smells like a duck...
Yup. BHA board member...

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/board_of_directors

Don't see him on the board link above....

BHA sticks to their mission: public lands, the preservation and access to them. BHA does not dip into gun rights just like you wouldn't expect NRA to stand up for public lands.

Busse's opinion on guns is his and not BHA's. Just like Romney and Cheney's opinions are theirs, not the GOP.

I used to think BHA was a good one to support but after reading up on their lack of actual hunting advocacy, wildlife management opinions and for the support that they accept from anti hunting and anti 2A Iíll never give them another dollar.

Outside of not being staunch, vocal supporters of the 2A (not their mission) and not wanting every wolf in North America dead, what issues do you have with their hunting advocacy and wildlife management?

Blanket statements are easy, nuance isn't.

I encourage you to look at who their biggest donors are.  Western Conservation Foundation who is staunchly anti hunting/sciences based wildlife management. WCF supports a number of anti hunting groups. Wilburforce was their next biggest donor who also supports extreme environmentalist grounds like the Sierra Foundation. Wilburforces exec director was an executive at the Humane Society of the United States (not your local humane society) who is a huuuge anti hunting and animals rights group.

Follow the money. Their loyalty will be to those donors not their members. By all means if you believe in what they say then hand them over your hard earned dollars. Iíd rather hand mine to the mule deer foundation, RMEF and even TRCP.

Straight from the Green decoy website  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:...the website created by oil lobbyists and their Pr Firm as a smear campaign against multiple Conservation organizations such as Backcoutnry Hutners & Anglers, Trout Unlimited, Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, to name afew.

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Re: Traitor - Ryan Busse
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 09:41:18 AM »
Actually I got it from activist facts and from listening to some podcasts. Does the source of the information bother you or the information itself?

It cannot be disputed that accept large donations from anti-hunting groups and they are non-responsive to 2A issues.  Like I said, if you want to support them go ahead.  Ill give my money to those that support 2A and don't take dollars from anti hunting groups because well, follow the $$. Simple as that.

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Re: Traitor - Ryan Busse
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 02:35:45 PM »
Actually I got it from activist facts and from listening to some podcasts. Does the source of the information bother you or the information itself?

It cannot be disputed that accept large donations from anti-hunting groups and they are non-responsive to 2A issues.  Like I said, if you want to support them go ahead.  Ill give my money to those that support 2A and don't take dollars from anti hunting groups because well, follow the $$. Simple as that.
   

 :yeah: too many proven groups like rmef and mule deer foundation to even consider bha. Something is fishy with bha donors and even some of their positions so why bother.   

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Re: Traitor - Ryan Busse
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 02:42:38 PM »
Actually I got it from activist facts and from listening to some podcasts. Does the source of the information bother you or the information itself?

It cannot be disputed that accept large donations from anti-hunting groups and they are non-responsive to 2A issues.  Like I said, if you want to support them go ahead.  Ill give my money to those that support 2A and don't take dollars from anti hunting groups because well, follow the $$. Simple as that.
   

 :yeah: too many proven groups like rmef and mule deer foundation to even consider bha. Something is fishy with bha donors and even some of their positions so why bother.


I don't think RMEF or MDF are comparable. Neither are advocates for sportsmen, just animals habitat.  I think a better comparison is SCI and BHA as they are both advocacy groups.
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Re: Traitor - Ryan Busse
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 02:52:10 PM »
Actually I got it from activist facts and from listening to some podcasts. Does the source of the information bother you or the information itself?

It cannot be disputed that accept large donations from anti-hunting groups and they are non-responsive to 2A issues.  Like I said, if you want to support them go ahead.  Ill give my money to those that support 2A and don't take dollars from anti hunting groups because well, follow the $$. Simple as that.
   

 :yeah: too many proven groups like rmef and mule deer foundation to even consider bha. Something is fishy with bha donors and even some of their positions so why bother.


I don't think RMEF or MDF are comparable. Neither are advocates for sportsmen, just animals habitat.  I think a better comparison is SCI and BHA as they are both advocacy groups.
   

I agree sci is a better comparison but still I would give my money to SCI. I don't care what others donate too. A few too many stinky things around BHA for me to ever want to send them money. I get it that not everyone sees it that way   

 


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