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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2021, 09:44:51 AM »
If we do a good enough job of incenting predator control by the tribes, they can later use the threat of extirpation to get non-hunting groups to pay them NOT to do it.  Looks like a recurring revenue source for them and more elk and deer for everyone.  Win Win

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2021, 09:45:48 AM »
I know it will never happen, but in a perfect world all of the Elk hunters in this state would take a year off and not buy an elk tag.  The State might pay attention to our grievance if the General fund took a major hit.

As much as I appreciate being able to blow off steam here about this topic (my pet peeve), Nothing will ever happen here until we generate a collective voice and have the leverage to force policy makers to hear us

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2021, 09:54:09 AM »
We NEED all the Allies we can get right now.
I completely agree.  I think Tribes are the best shot at straightening out this commission and getting the governors ear.  I'd love to see Tribes hammering Lorna Smith for her racist policies that arbitrarily protect predators at the expense of important tribal treaty resources (deer and elk). 

Tribes have a large stake (and a lot of resources) invested in ensuring fish and wildlife resources are plentiful.  I get that sportsmen, typically ignorant on matters of tribal treaties, feel like they are being cheated when a Tribal member harvests or has opportunities not available to them...and I get the complaints about very small numbers of tribal members harvesting a LOT of bulls and bucks.  But sportsman and tribal members have a lot of shared interests and we need to find ways to work together.  Predator management may be one great example...continuing to drive a wedge over Tribal members exercising treaty rights is a non-starter IMO.   :twocents:
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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2021, 09:57:41 AM »
I would be all for that.  Then I wouldn't have to wait until mid June to know I was not selected for anything.  This would greatly assist my out of state hunting plans.
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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2021, 10:05:39 AM »
If more of the other tribes in this state took some pointers from the Colville tribe we wouldn't be having as many of these discussions.  Also, just like everything else in the world, the few spoil it for the many. 

If some of the tribal councils held some of the members responsible for the excessive taking of big game and fish it would go a long way, both in the relationship with non-natives and in the overall conservation of our resources.
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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2021, 10:06:17 AM »
In Native American impacted areas special tags will continue to be reduced until they get so low with low success that WDFW gives up and just makes area general season like Utah has in areas.   Why manage areas for jerky harvest?  Just open it up.
More ignorant rhetoric.  If the mods want to allow this train wreck to continue I'll continue to respond. Magnum what game warden? I'm sure you got a name, and I trust the state guys know the scenarios up here as well as the access.  I'll gladly follow up to clear the air but I'd bet their story will not be quite as you are recalling it.  I'm guessing you might be embellishing just a bit to look cool on here.

PM me - I stayed at the guys place for 4 days - legit gamey.  Not sure where you are getting your info but I'm getting mine straight from the only enforcement on the ground there.   There is no better info on what is actually happening.  Sorry if reality doesn't jive with your expectations or hopes.
Pm sent. Let me know if you are going to respond. Obviously you were either misrepresenting or have low integrity.
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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2021, 10:09:10 AM »
Are we throwing a good game warden under the bus here?

That's sad..

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2021, 10:10:11 AM »
Are we throwing a good game warden under the bus here?

That's sad..
Who's throwing anyone under a bus?

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2021, 10:13:09 AM »
It's not inconceivable to me that you could raise a big stink for this gamie with the state, possibly get him fired. 

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2021, 10:14:02 AM »
It's not inconceivable to me that you could raise a big stink for this gamie with the state, possibly get him fired.
Your ignorance shines!

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2021, 10:15:10 AM »
We NEED all the Allies we can get right now.
I completely agree.  I think Tribes are the best shot at straightening out this commission and getting the governors ear.  I'd love to see Tribes hammering Lorna Smith for her racist policies that arbitrarily protect predators at the expense of important tribal treaty resources (deer and elk). 

Tribes have a large stake (and a lot of resources) invested in ensuring fish and wildlife resources are plentiful.  I get that sportsmen, typically ignorant on matters of tribal treaties, feel like they are being cheated when a Tribal member harvests or has opportunities not available to them...and I get the complaints about very small numbers of tribal members harvesting a LOT of bulls and bucks.  But sportsman and tribal members have a lot of shared interests and we need to find ways to work together.  Predator management may be one great example...continuing to drive a wedge over Tribal members exercising treaty rights is a non-starter IMO.   :twocents:


Unfortunately I do not have access to the relevant numbers, as some tribes have no limits reporting or seasons. so lets go with some numbers we can do some back of napkin math with.

For every additional cougar they take approximately 50=- deer/elk a year.  How many deer or elk do the "Worst tribal offender" take? 50? 100? Take out 2 additional cats and the numbers equal out. The total number of Register Yakimas is 10800 or so. lets say each of them harvest 1 animal a year (an over estimation I'm guessing since the total Yakima and Colockum elk herds only equal about 9k elk) that means that a harvest of 216 cats would negate those over estimated harvest numbers.  We know that in 2018 ALL cougar harvest open season and depredation was 376  STATE WIDE!
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/management/game-harvest/2018/cougar

Could you imagine what would happen if the Yakimas Ran hounds and trapped on the ceded grounds and killed 100 cats?  Now expand those kinds of numbers to other tribes. We might actually get to some real harvest numbers that can impact our deer and elk herds.
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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2021, 10:22:00 AM »
Are we throwing a good game warden under the bus here?

That's sad..
More like have a cup of coffee with all involved.  In person accountability is often different than on the web. 

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2021, 10:28:52 AM »
Are we throwing a good game warden under the bus here?

That's sad..
More like have a cup of coffee with all involved.  In person accountability is often different than on the web.

I don't buy that for a second.  I believe you'd use your position to round up complaints to the state from tribe leadership about a "gamie spreading racist lies to create anti-tribal animus".

With the current leaders and politics in this state, he'd likely not survive that onslaught.


Hence my comment about throwing the dude under a bus.

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2021, 10:33:11 AM »
Are we throwing a good game warden under the bus here?

That's sad..
More like have a cup of coffee with all involved.  In person accountability is often different than on the web.

I don't buy that for a second.  I believe you'd use your position to round up complaints to the state from tribe leadership about a "gamie spreading racist lies to create anti-tribal animus".

With the current leaders and politics in this state, he'd likely not survive that onslaught.


Hence my comment about throwing the dude under a bus.
You exude ignorance! For what to protect your own lies? You certainly don't know any of the wardens in this area or you wouldn't infere the idiotic rhetoric you spew. And who are you quoting?

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Re: Question on access for native americans
« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2021, 10:36:39 AM »
Are we throwing a good game warden under the bus here?

That's sad..
More like have a cup of coffee with all involved.  In person accountability is often different than on the web.

I don't buy that for a second.  I believe you'd use your position to round up complaints to the state from tribe leadership about a "gamie spreading racist lies to create anti-tribal animus".

With the current leaders and politics in this state, he'd likely not survive that onslaught.


Hence my comment about throwing the dude under a bus.
You exude ignorance! For what to protect your own lies? You certainly don't know any of the wardens in this area or you wouldn't infere the idiotic rhetoric you spew. And who are you quoting?

Sorry, I just don't believe that you're such a benevolent person as to invite a state gamie and a random HW'r to a cup of coffee "to discuss tribal hunting rights"

You've already said you do not represent the tribe, but you want to have a cup of joe to do just that?

"You certainly don't know any of the wardens in this area or you wouldn't infere the idiotic rhetoric you spew"

It sounds like you do, and its not a positive.

 


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