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Re: What Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2022, 10:59:49 AM »
Hunters are only about 2% of the population.  Thinking we can  organize in to a voting block is crazy talk.  We have to use the organizations that we have set up to try and influence the WDFW in a meaningful way.  We will see what the 21st brings about the spring Bear to see if these organizations hold any sway with the department.  The spring Bear cancel got a lot of attention online so let's hope this works or we will keep losing.

Itís not the WDFW you have to sway for the spring bear hunt, it was the commission who is appointed by the governor.

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Re: What Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2022, 04:51:42 PM »
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We need to win some elections if we are going to turn things around.

 That many are not aware that voter initiatives against hunting and trapping had passed, I know that they have not voted as they have not been paying attention to politics. That most of our people don't vote is why the Left has put restrictions on hunting/trapping, while introducing wolves to eliminate hunting as a management tool for populations of ungulates.
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Re: What Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2022, 07:41:00 PM »
What WDFW could do though, for bears in addition to cougars, is expand seasons and bag limits for boot hunting methods recognizing that the lack of hound hunting has led to massive population increases having a detrimental effect on ungulates. Bear and cougar populations we sustainable with long season, baiting, trapping, etc. before the initiative. There could be unlimited bag limits and year around hunting and the boot hunting harvest would never reach those pre-initiative levels.

Falling populations are a function of take outpacing growth. The predator population has increased to a point that there needs to be a some take removed from the system, either in the form of predator removal, or hunting reduction in order to maintain the healthy populations we've historically had.  This is why the enviro's fight for no predator control, because it will eventually lead to a reduction in hunting. Restrict hunting enough and the sport will continue to fade out of existence. The more hunter numbers shrink, the higher the proportion of anti-hunting input. It's a snowball effect in the wrong direction.

And the winner is... this is it in a nut shell.  Make hunting as unrewarding as possible for those who participate as you can and maybe they will give up the pastime for something else.  They really don't care about the wolves or the bears as much as they claim but see them as a tool to eradicate hunting.  Eradicate hunting and the next logical step is that you and I don't need firearms any longer.

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Re: What We Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2022, 09:26:15 PM »
our group are all going on predator control.
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Re: What We Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2022, 10:38:22 PM »
With all of the Predators out there how is the younger generation supposed to be interested or excited about hunting when they dont ever see any thing legal to shoot at . my daughter started hunting for the first time about 5 years ago and almost quit until I took her to a different state and has got five deer in a row just got her first deer here last year . My dad a long time hunter  believes that people started planting wolves so you don't need your guns or hunting anymore.   Predators will just take care of everything. When I took my daughter to the gun safety hunter education class one of the teachers asked do you know why we have hunting seasons? He said
 "to get rid of the excess animals" I thought to myself holy crap I can't believe we are having hunting season any more , what access animals?
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Re: What We Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2022, 05:40:23 AM »
Excess animals, those would be the ones coming down by peoples houses to escape the predators.

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Re: What We Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2022, 09:32:35 PM »
https://www.fieldandstream.com/conservation/cougars-decimate-washington-elk-calves/

When will WDFW get to the base of the problem and bring back hound hunting?

Browndawg:   Why don't you go out there and try to call them in?   I know some spots!

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Re: What We Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2022, 07:01:15 PM »
https://www.fieldandstream.com/conservation/cougars-decimate-washington-elk-calves/

When will WDFW get to the base of the problem and bring back hound hunting?

Browndawg:   Why don't you go out there and try to call them in?   I know some spots!

Did we just become best friends? I've never tried calling one in. I usually buy a tag in case I happen to run across one while elk hunting. I'd love to learn how to do it.

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Re: What We Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2022, 06:56:55 PM »

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Did we just become best friends? I've never tried calling one in. I usually buy a tag in case I happen to run across one while elk hunting. I'd love to learn how to do it.
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Nope.  We've been friends for long time.  Packed out a few elk.  Drank a lot of Basil's together.  :hello:




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Re: What We Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2022, 08:24:00 PM »
Tried calling w an expensive caller, in areas w lots of predators, 0-3 the past 2 weeks. I thought yotes would be easy, tried cats too. It just isnít that easy even when in an area w lots of predators.
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Re: What We Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2022, 08:40:11 PM »
Tried calling w an expensive caller, in areas w lots of predators, 0-3 the past 2 weeks. I thought yotes would be easy, tried cats too. It just isnít that easy even when in an area w lots of predators.

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Re: What We Already Knew About Why We Aren't Seeing Elk
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2022, 09:28:43 AM »


Did we just become best friends? I've never tried calling one in. I usually buy a tag in case I happen to run across one while elk hunting. I'd love to learn how to do it.
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Nope.  We've been friends for long time.  Packed out a few elk.  Drank a lot of Basil's together.  :hello:
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 :hello: Basil sounds good. Let's share some soon

 


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