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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2022, 01:00:36 PM »
Bottom line: if you are going to do what the kid did......shoot your worst rifle and walk to where you shoot. That way, they can only take a rusty old gun and a pair of boots. The possibility of losing a vehicle would prevent me from stretching the rules.

Or just not break the rules  :dunno:

I still do not support or advocate shooting a wolf or cougar, not worth it

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2022, 01:26:02 PM »
The decoy thing is upsetting, but it's definitely not entrapment.


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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2022, 01:26:59 PM »
The decoy thing is upsetting, but it's definitely not entrapment.

That was a joke.   :chuckle: :tup:

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2022, 01:32:44 PM »
While I don't condone illegal activities related to hunting.

I would be curious to pdr what cougar complaints that district has for the last 4 months and what action has been taken to reduce the conflicts or remove the problem cats.

Since they have time to run deek stings using alpha predators in a known alpha predator hot spot.....are they using their down time equally to work problem cats ..or just target hunter's.

I mean you don't poach a cat for the antlers or meat... :dunno:


As for the yotes...we used to sell them for beer money in college
Now it's all about saving wildlife....

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2022, 02:21:10 PM »
This seems to have happened right out of Kettle Falls, where Cougar have been coming off the hill and eating pets in town.

It's no wonder this guy shot what he thought was a cougar, they've been trying to get WDFW for years to do something about it

They get this  :bash:

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2022, 02:26:32 PM »
The other option is to give it a try. Yes, as in eating one.
It is always funny to me how people will get a mindset about something before they even will give it a try. Most of the 'non edible' (according to opinions) items I have tried were fine, some were tasty. Sand Shrimp were good, as is smoked Carp.
I would guess it would depend on time of year and what the coyote had been eating.
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2022, 02:30:38 PM »
 :bash:

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2022, 02:31:49 PM »
One after the other, in yards, killing goats, house cats or dogs

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2022, 02:33:07 PM »
and WDFW sets out a freaking decoy  :bash: :bash:

They give ZERO craps about rural residents


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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2022, 04:56:13 PM »
Coyote down this evening. For a westside dog it was beautiful with a redish coat. The one with it was not so good looking.
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2022, 05:03:50 PM »
 :tup:   Nice!

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2022, 05:03:59 PM »
Hello, the is Dept fish and wildlife how can we help you?

Caller: ya, I got a cougar eating my goats! The neighbor had a cougar eat his kitty Sammy,  his daughter is very upset! 

WDFW: Ok, thanks for calling and have you checked out our "living with wildlife" page at wdfw.livingwithwildlife.wa?

Caller: umm ahh no? You going to kill this cat or what? 

WDFW: "we'll pass it on to the wildlife officers in your area thanks for calling!

Caller: ya ok thanks tell them they can reach m...

WDFW *click*


WDFW:  hey ya we been getting a bunch of calls in the Kettle Falls area about mt lions eating goats, chickens, pet cats, pet dogs and being in the vicinity of school kids walking to school


WDFW enforcement: ok great tip!  we'll be out there next month with a cougar decoy and nail those backwoods hicks weeeee!!

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2022, 06:46:53 PM »
Honestly I have always had a personal issue with killing animals I donít eat. But though I would kill a yote in a heartbeat if it had a nice coat, I have wanted a couple of yote skins, but I suck at tanning.
Here is my contradiction, I wonít even hesitate if I shoot a wild hog, especially a sow.
I go through the his weird self justification, but they do millions upon millions in damage. I have had two charge me already while hunting white tail. They are ugly, they stink worse than just about anything. And Oklahoma wild life officers encourage shoot on sight.

I know it does not make much sense, to not to shoot yotes like I would pigs. Or doing mental gymnastics for o justify one or the other, when both should be taken out.  :dunno:

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2022, 07:04:54 PM »
Depends on the day .
If it's on the run,you might live,stand there like stupid your eating lead.
Skin or not to skin depends on coat.
That's my coyote hunting plan.
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2022, 07:08:57 PM »
I too have an issue personally with shooting animals for the point of shooting them, but I also don't bat an eye knowing other people who do. I called in coyotes all summer with with my kids so they could see them but they were so scraggly I didn't shoot them. I also know a fellow down the road from me that'll shoot them year round and toss them onto the back of his property to rot and it doesn't bother me at all.

I was once told by a bio that the only real way to control their population was super aggressive trapping or poison, and neither of those are an option in WA so I don't really buy the "population control" argument but I do buy that the more threatened and uncomfortable.they feel due to hunting pressure they less bold they'll be hunting their prey. I was also told theyre not very likely to actually go after calves and fawns and I've seen exactly the same.number of dogs chasing ungulates as I have ungulates chasing dogs (one). Keep em looking over their shoulder and not looking for their next meal and it won't hurt the deer/elk and it won't really hurt coyote numbers either from what I understand.

Cats and bears are another story though and while I'm no scientist I too feel like there's quite a few more than there should be and the state doesn't agree with me/us. One of these days I'll get better at hunting them and actually seal the deal on taking out my own, getting closer on bear at least.

Bottom line, kill em. Worst case scenario it just means more pups, best case it's helping our game herds.

 


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