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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #225 on: September 27, 2023, 03:39:08 PM »
So there is a secretary that makes the commision selections for the governor in his office.  She selects them and he rubber stamps it.  I don't remeber her name but she is anti hunting.  As far as him signing the proclamation for National Hunting and Fishing Day.  He has done that for years.

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She is not a secretary.

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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #226 on: September 27, 2023, 03:43:55 PM »
So there is a secretary that makes the commision selections for the governor in his office.  She selects them and he rubber stamps it.  I don't remeber her name but she is anti hunting.  As far as him signing the proclamation for National Hunting and Fishing Day.  He has done that for years.

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She is not a secretary.

I had an encounter with her back at the June meeting. Ruth Musgrave. She is a major anti and her daughter is following in her footsteps by speaking at commission meetings. While this is probably to get hunters off their ass and Inslee is still full of crap it gives us a ton of ammo regardless.

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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #227 on: September 27, 2023, 03:45:48 PM »
So there is a secretary that makes the commision selections for the governor in his office.  She selects them and he rubber stamps it.  I don't remeber her name but she is anti hunting.  As far as him signing the proclamation for National Hunting and Fishing Day.  He has done that for years.

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She is not a secretary.

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I think I said in my post that I did not remember her name but I think someone just came up with it.

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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #229 on: September 27, 2023, 03:54:37 PM »
A little bit of background info on her:

http://www.ncelenviro.org/personnel/ruth-musgrave/


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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #230 on: September 27, 2023, 04:47:45 PM »
A little bit of background info on her:

http://www.ncelenviro.org/personnel/ruth-musgrave/

She has been at some of the commission meetings this summer.
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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #231 on: September 27, 2023, 04:50:08 PM »
A little bit of background info on her:

http://www.ncelenviro.org/personnel/ruth-musgrave/

She has been at some of the commission meetings this summer.

Yep, had an encounter with her back in June. I know she's tried to present herself as an ally to hunters and I know some guys have fallen for her act. Her daughter is being groomed to take over, she's speaking at meetings as well. All this stuff has been planned out for years. We need to do whatever we can to stop this. Donate to those suing, VOTE VOTE VOTE, and speak up and get involved!! I'm going to say this, may ruffle some feathers but if you don't vote or don't want to get involve don't whine.

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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #232 on: September 27, 2023, 06:20:38 PM »
JT Austin was the Natural Resources advisor for Inslee before Musgrave. JT was responsible for most of these clowns and illegal appointment's and made a hasty disappearance. JT was likely the party to which a bunch of the illegal appointment's could be point at.
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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #233 on: September 27, 2023, 06:36:40 PM »
JT Austin was the Natural Resources advisor for Inslee before Musgrave. JT was responsible for most of these clowns and illegal appointment's and made a hasty disappearance. JT was likely the party to which a bunch of the illegal appointment's could be point at.

What makes the appointments “illegal”?  :dunno:
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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #234 on: September 27, 2023, 06:50:24 PM »
September 27, 2023
Assistant Attorney General Joseph Panesko filed a motion to dismiss with the Thurston County
Superior Court to dismiss the Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation lawsuit. That motion was
heard by Judge Indu Thomas on Friday, September 15, 2023. Judge Thomas agreed with the
defendants and dismissed our lawsuit in its entirety, giving two reasons.
1. That WWC as a non-profit did not having standing to sue; and
2. The Governor had a wide range of discretion in making appointments.
This defies all logic and reason. We based our case on the Builders successfully suing the Governor
and the building council. Our attorney, Callie Castillo of Lane Powell, represented the Building
Industry. How did the BIAW, a non-profit for political action on behalf of the building industry,
like HHC is for the hunters, have standing to sue the Governor and the building council, yet WWC
lack the same standing?
The judge also ruled that the Governor's discretion overrules the balance doctrine in RCW
77.04.040. RCW 77.04.040 say that the Governor needs to reach out to all user groups and make
sure the Commission is balanced. This ruling just said the Governor’s discretion overrides the
balance doctrine of the RCW.
Our legal team was outstanding in every way. They were professional, well-prepared, intelligent,
and great to work with. I will sing their praises. Callie Castillo is a phenomenal attorney and so is
her legal team. Going to court isn’t a guarantee of victory. We went to court and we showed the
Commission, WDFW, and the animal-right groups that we were willing to sue, something that the
hunting community had never done before. Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation isn’t done
with the legal route, we have kept Callie Castillo and Lane Powell on retainer for possible future
legal action.
WWC isn’t just going to stick to the courts. We’re the unified sporting community. We’re going
to recruit new activists and train members of our existing membership base. We are going to
teach new techniques to become more effective in the fight. We will always be THE leaders in
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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #235 on: September 27, 2023, 07:05:45 PM »
Are there any future plans for future legal action or is this the end of it?
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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #236 on: September 27, 2023, 07:21:41 PM »
I think future donations and the finite amount of money we as hunters have would be better served going to other, more established sportsmen groups at this point like the sportsmens alliance, HOWL for wildlife, etc. React how you will to that but when you lose the big game before it even starts you find a new quarterback. This issue is too important for this not to be brought up on here.

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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #237 on: September 27, 2023, 08:10:51 PM »
Is it a bad idea to consider joining forces with other groups like Sportsmen’s alliance in this fight? Is there logic in one big fight with a bunch of $$ combined rather than a few little ones?
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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #238 on: September 27, 2023, 09:07:46 PM »
Is it a bad idea to consider joining forces with other groups like Sportsmen’s alliance in this fight? Is there logic in one big fight with a bunch of $$ combined rather than a few little ones?

I think that is good idea in this situation. Trouble is getting all the egos to work together.
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Re: We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor
« Reply #239 on: September 27, 2023, 11:24:07 PM »
Is it a bad idea to consider joining forces with other groups like Sportsmen’s alliance in this fight? Is there logic in one big fight with a bunch of $$ combined rather than a few little ones?

It is my understanding that joining the WWC lawsuit was pitched to several national organizations including SA.  They wanted a multi pronged attack so didn't sign on. I personally think they have a different strategy because they have in house council. That doesn't make that strategy better or worse just different. WWC doesn't have any paid staff so they have to hire out legal council. I dont know of any national orgs that have signed onto the SA alliance either. Im not sure if its ego so much as its defending funding and memberships.  Sportsmen don't spread their $ around like the antis do, nor do the National  hunting orgs work together as well compared to the antis.

I think the dismissal of the WWC case is political. I stated why I think that, and the WWC letter states a couple of other reasons that back my assertion. Sadly this point of attack seems gone. The Antis dont give up when they lose, nor do they talk poorly about other orgs that pull in the same direction. SA is right insofar as a multi pronged attack diverts attention from their mission and can put them on the defense. They dont cry about a loss they just use it to stir up more support. Sportsmen wont find the silver bullet. WWC took an ambitious shot at making a major move against the anti hunting movement and failed. As hunters we learn from our failures, WWC members and BOD members are as well.

I cant wait to find out which orgs take the fight to the Antis with the kinds of tactics they have used for a long time. I cant wait to be a part of it!
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