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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2023, 03:00:31 PM »
Is that David Fanz’s truck?

Thanks, I tried googling that name, didn't come up with much, most last names I found are spelled Franz.
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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2023, 03:11:20 PM »
Reading this, the offense seems to be contained in 02.d. "hunting over the outfitters permitted bait site".

If this is on public land, is there any way to keep other non-client hunters from using your sites? Sitting in your blind, he would seem to be in violation, since he is "hunting over". But if not sitting in your blind, but in the area of your site, could he just claim that he was out hunting and wandered through the area of your site. 
Seems kind of unenforceable.

I think if a guy was sitting and watching an outfitter bait with a weapon he would be illegal even if not in the blind, that is pretty clear, being in a blind is not part of the language. The language is more vague for other hunter's baits, I wished it was more specific for everyone else, but I think if a hunter is watching any bait he better have one of his bait tags on the bait he is hunting. (I'm not certain, but that's what I get out of the language, and maybe a family member or friend is exempt if they have a bait permit, I'm not sure if hunters can share each other's baits?)
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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2023, 03:21:16 PM »
I may have missed it, but has it been reported to IDFG?

They can certainly run the plate, but obviously wouldn’t share that info.

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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2023, 05:47:16 PM »
Reading this, the offense seems to be contained in 02.d. "hunting over the outfitters permitted bait site".

If this is on public land, is there any way to keep other non-client hunters from using your sites? Sitting in your blind, he would seem to be in violation, since he is "hunting over". But if not sitting in your blind, but in the area of your site, could he just claim that he was out hunting and wandered through the area of your site. 
Seems kind of unenforceable.

I think if a guy was sitting and watching an outfitter bait with a weapon he would be illegal even if not in the blind, that is pretty clear, being in a blind is not part of the language. The language is more vague for other hunter's baits, I wished it was more specific for everyone else, but I think if a hunter is watching any bait he better have one of his bait tags on the bait he is hunting. (I'm not certain, but that's what I get out of the language, and maybe a family member or friend is exempt if they have a bait permit, I'm not sure if hunters can share each other's baits?)

I think 02.d. applies........the language requires guides and clients to have a copy of the permit in their possession when hunting the site......that's what the trespasser was doing. The language doesn't address unauthorized use of an outfitters baited site. That such use is illegal could be interpreted by the simple fact that requirements are placed on legal and authorized users, and the trespasser would not meet the requirements in that he would not have permission and therefore no copy of the permit. It is a bit vague.

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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2023, 06:02:38 PM »
Sounds to me like you have nothing on this guy. You found a truck on a road and took pics of a license plate? Your word he was on your bait but no photo? Lost cause here

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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2023, 10:26:17 PM »
Sounds to me like you have nothing on this guy. You found a truck on a road and took pics of a license plate? Your word he was on your bait but no photo? Lost cause here

Yup! Cause if it was illegal none of this would be on here and fb. 1 call to idfg and that would be it. Not understanding much of this post.

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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2023, 11:09:20 PM »
So was it butters truck or huntnnw’s truck?
Just joking but wouldn’t be the first time the offender tried to downplay a situation because it was actually them in question. Weather he could press charges is not the point here. This guy was wrong for hunting someone’s legal bait. I wouldn’t want to press charges anyways, I would have dropped the bait and gave chase. Some of these guys need a good butt whooping. Oh how clear a broken nose can make you see the error of your ways

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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2023, 06:07:53 AM »
Sounds to me like you have nothing on this guy. You found a truck on a road and took pics of a license plate? Your word he was on your bait but no photo? Lost cause here

Yup! Cause if it was illegal none of this would be on here and fb. 1 call to idfg and that would be it. Not understanding much of this post.

Lots of guys post pics of trucks or people doing or suspected of doing illegal things. They have also reported it to Leo...but there's nothing wrong with public shaming... happens all the time on this site...
I'm sure idfg will come to the appropriate conclusion.... I'd say let it play out before determining guilt or innocence in the huntwa court...

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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2023, 07:22:46 AM »
 :yeah:


Getting the plate # is a big help, IDFG will know who it is, and if they see that truck again they can catch the guy sitting on a bait with someone else names on it they got him, maybe he’s doing other things too  :dunno:


Maybe the white truck dude read one of our tree stands on public land threads on HW :dunno:
Lotta guys said “if it’s on public, I’ll hunt it!” 


Whomever it is, he’s not doing people with Washington license plates any favors   :bash:

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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2023, 08:00:59 AM »
The entire purpose of my post is to public shame the scumbag that would sit on anyone else's bait.

What is most surprising to me, it's appears a few people seem to think this is OK! Even if it isn't illegal it's still not the right thing to do to any other hunter who has done all the work. What ever happened to respecting fellow hunters?



One of the worst experiences myself and my kids (when they we just starting to hunt) have ever had in hunting, we went with a waterfowl guide on the potholes, he knew where the birds would be coming and had a blind set up, we got there early and got in the blind, there were other hunters got in a blind across the bay which I figured should be expected in a popular waterfowl area. When birds were coming in to our spread those guys across the bay started shooting even though they were way out of range and of course the ducks kept going, this happened a couple times and I was thinking boy those guys can't estimate range very well. Then some birds came in from a different angle far far away from those other guys, the birds set their wings coming in to our spread from the opposite side from those guys, those other guys shot again just so the birds wouldn't land in our spread. My kids had never seen something like that before, I had always taught them to respect other hunters, but they learned how some hunters are that day! The guide was absolutely furious and I completely understood why.

I still wonder who it was in that other duck blind who couldn't stand to see ducks land in our spread, just as I wonder who sat in our blind at our bait knowing what they were doing is wrong, and that is confirmed by the way the scumbag ran off when he saw the guide coming, that person is an absolute lowlife!

Anyone who thinks it's ok to hunt another hunters bait with the bait tag clearly hanging right by the bait is  ______, you are the problem! You are not honest and you are not a real hunter, honest people and real hunters respect each other.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2023, 08:48:00 AM by bearpaw »
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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2023, 08:01:56 AM »
Makes me wonder if it is one of Bearpaw Outfitters previous clients??  Guy pays for a hunt, goes on hunt, kills nice bear over bait......next year or a few years later, with knowledge of location of bait sites he decides to cheat the system.   :dunno: :dunno:


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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2023, 11:14:00 AM »
Makes me wonder if it is one of Bearpaw Outfitters previous clients??  Guy pays for a hunt, goes on hunt, kills nice bear over bait......next year or a few years later, with knowledge of location of bait sites he decides to cheat the system.   :dunno: :dunno:

Exactly my thoughts as well.

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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2023, 11:55:03 AM »
Makes me wonder if it is one of Bearpaw Outfitters previous clients??  Guy pays for a hunt, goes on hunt, kills nice bear over bait......next year or a few years later, with knowledge of location of bait sites he decides to cheat the system.   :dunno: :dunno:

Exactly my thoughts as well.

If so makes it even worse because he would have seen how hard Dale and his guides worked to get him that bear.
 Would have most likely even had dinner or lunch with them and seen what a great group of people they are
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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2023, 11:57:10 AM »
I will say I have mixed feelings on this. I hunted an area for many years, and more and more permanent camps (before it was made where you had to tear them down) and most of the prime spots were 'someones'. This was on public lands. Also, leasing spots is a peeve of mine, but that is for a different thread.
I scouted an area (here in Washington) for bear and sat in a good looking area for an hour or so and had a bear come close. It went out of sight in a shallow draw and quiet for long enough I got up and took a look. It was still there feeding on a large illegal donut pile about 50 feet away that I had not seen.
What if it had been season and I shot it? I can think of at least two different sets of people (F&W and the person that placed it there) that would have presumed I was hunting over it.
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Re: Illegally hunting our bait in Idaho, photo of truck with WA plates
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2023, 12:00:45 PM »
I will say I have mixed feelings on this. I hunted an area for many years, and more and more permanent camps (before it was made where you had to tear them down) and most of the prime spots were 'someones'. This was on public lands. Also, leasing spots is a peeve of mine, but that is for a different thread.
I scouted an area (here in Washington) for bear and sat in a good looking area for an hour or so and had a bear come close. It went out of sight in a shallow draw and quiet for long enough I got up and took a look. It was still there feeding on a large illegal donut pile about 50 feet away that I had not seen.
What if it had been season and I shot it? I can think of at least two different sets of people (F&W and the person that placed it there) that would have presumed I was hunting over it.
Granted that is different than sitting right over it or in a blind. BUT, I have sat in many a bird blind on public lands when no one was there.
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