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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2023, 10:41:34 AM »
Leica HD binocs and Nightforce scopes is what I operate with

 :yeah: My eyes prefer Leica over swaro as well. Although I'm about due for another round of comparison

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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2023, 10:48:10 AM »
Swaro binos and a Razor HD gen 2 spotter. Yes the Swaro spotter is better, but for my use the Razor is good, and nearly 1/3 the price for the deal I got.

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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2023, 11:18:13 AM »
I tell people who ask me, buy once cry once....get SWAROVSKI and never look back!
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I have had a ton of binocs and since my first set of Swaroís five years ago swaro is all I buy now. I have bought three pairs since the first pair.
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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2023, 11:57:35 AM »
I'm late to the party too. Mainly hunted Blacktails in the jungles of the westside Cascades, and Elk in the timber of the eastside Cascades.  Never needed a spotter or had any binos worth anything.

Then I too recently bought a Vortex spotter (upcoming WY pronghorn hunt) and a set of Vortex binos too.  Holy carp... what a difference!  Don't know why I've waited this long!

I know as well that people will tout high dollar brands like Leica, Swarovski, Zeiss, etc, but I just can't part with close to $2k for a set of optics.  Now then, if I used them every single hunt, every single day for many days afield, I'd probably eat those words.  But for me, so far, the optics from Vortex are pretty nifty!

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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2023, 12:18:14 PM »
As far as binoculars go I was dead set on getting a pair of Swarovski NL pure until I compared them with a buddies Maven B.2 Compared them during the day and at dusk.  Almost no difference to my eyes.  Certainly not for 3x the cost.  I now own the Maven B.2 11x45.  Spectacular optics.

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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2023, 12:26:53 PM »
The differences between inexpensive ($100 to $200) and mid-priced ($500 to $1000) binoculars are usually pretty obvious to most people. The next jump up to alpha glass like Swarovski is more subtle and may not be fully appreciated without extensive use. You are paying 50% to 100% more for just a few percentage gains. Glancing through both at the Cabelaís optics counter during daylight hours will likely not show much difference. Looking through them for several hours in more challenging light conditions is where the differences may become more obvious. Collimation that is just slightly off isnít noticeable initially but can become more so after hours of use.

To me, the value of alpha glass is not just optical but also mental. I know Iím not missing something that I would see with better glass.
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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2023, 12:41:32 PM »
I like this discussion very much.  I will tell you that my Swaros can tell me if a buck has 3 points on a side from 800 yds away in low light.  My less expensive spotter would show me that it had horns.  Knowing a buck is legal or not will save you time and possibly energy in the long run.  Well worth selling my kidney for the Swaro.
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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2023, 12:50:07 PM »
Depends on use as well. If I was hunting blacktail on the westside in thick Forrest with little light coming through and a far shot being 40 yds, maybe I could justify the swaro cost. But in the wide open areas east of the mountains, most of the deer we look at are 200 yds plus. Iíd rather put the big money into a spotting scope and get binos that are good enough to identify bucks at long range. I picked up a pair of Kowa binos earlier this year and have been happy with them for the price.

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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2023, 12:55:26 PM »
I like this discussion very much.  I will tell you that my Swaros can tell me if a buck has 3 points on a side from 800 yds away in low light.  My less expensive spotter would show me that it had horns.  Knowing a buck is legal or not will save you time and possibly energy in the long run.  Well worth selling my kidney for the Swaro.
Eh, you must have better vision than the guys I hunt with.  2 weeks ago I was looking at 3 bucks bedded down at 540 yds. The guys next to me were using Leica and swaros. All of us could tell they were 2x2s, it wasnít until the spotting scopes came out they we could pickup a small 3rd on one of them. Heck, once bullets started flying, the guy looking through the swaros called out the wrong deer to shoot!

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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2023, 01:11:37 PM »
I like this discussion very much.  I will tell you that my Swaros can tell me if a buck has 3 points on a side from 800 yds away in low light.  My less expensive spotter would show me that it had horns.  Knowing a buck is legal or not will save you time and possibly energy in the long run.  Well worth selling my kidney for the Swaro.
Eh, you must have better vision than the guys I hunt with.  2 weeks ago I was looking at 3 bucks bedded down at 540 yds. The guys next to me were using Leica and swaros. All of us could tell they were 2x2s, it wasnít until the spotting scopes came out they we could pickup a small 3rd on one of them. Heck, once bullets started flying, the guy looking through the swaros called out the wrong deer to shoot!
Yeah..agree with your thinking that the user's eyesight matters.  Where I was convinced on good glass was I was elk hunting an area by Mt St Helens and me and one of the other tag holders happened to be glassing from the same spot.  I was not finding anything with my $300 spotter and he was picking up individual elk all over the area we were glassing with his Swaro.  I was sold.  As another poster here said, there may not be a ton of difference between a $1800 spotter and a $2500 spotter, but I feel as though I am not leaving anything on the table buying the more expensive glass.  I think the point of this string is that there is a world of difference between bad, medium and good glass.
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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2023, 01:24:37 PM »
Swaro binos and a Razor HD gen 2 spotter. Yes the Swaro spotter is better, but for my use the Razor is good, and nearly 1/3 the price for the deal I got.

Forgot to mention this latest deer I spotted at 1.2 miles with the 10x42 Swaros. Could tell it was a deer, that's all. The Razor HD gen 2 showed it was a 3x4. Have zero doubt a Swaro spotter would show more detail, but ~$3k OTD vs $1156 OTD I took the chance on the HDs. If they didn't cut it I would have returned them and bought the Swaro, but so far so good.

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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2023, 02:11:37 PM »
The differences between inexpensive ($100 to $200) and mid-priced ($500 to $1000) binoculars are usually pretty obvious to most people. The next jump up to alpha glass like Swarovski is more subtle and may not be fully appreciated without extensive use. You are paying 50% to 100% more for just a few percentage gains. Glancing through both at the Cabelaís optics counter during daylight hours will likely not show much difference. Looking through them for several hours in more challenging light conditions is where the differences may become more obvious. Collimation that is just slightly off isnít noticeable initially but can become more so after hours of use.

To me, the value of alpha glass is not just optical but also mental. I know Iím not missing something that I would see with better glass.

I did that exact thing at Cabela's.  The counter guy set up a Cabela's, a Vortex, a Leupold and a Swaro spotters.  Looking through them the Swaro was superior to my eyes (but the price was far out of my league).  The Cabela's spotter came in last.  I was going to buy the Leupold until I looked through them and then compared the Vortex.  I personally thought the Vortex HD was much clearer than the Leupold spotter.  Whether that was just my eyes or not, I chose the Vortex over the gold ring.  I know some will say I'm crazy, but I saved 200 bucks and got what I feel is a good optic.

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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2023, 02:22:43 PM »
The subtle differences that bob33 mentioned are key to me.

I had meopta 10x42ís after owning a nice set of Nikons. The meoptas were way better than the Nikons at dawn and dusk.

Then I went to swaro slcís 10x42. Mid day tough to tell the difference. Dawn and dusk the swaros out performed the meoptas.

Then came the Swaro Elís for me. Again similar mid day but come dusk I could see crisper snd clearer with the ELís

The last thing that I will agree with bob33 on is looking for a long time through the swaros I donít feel the eye strain or fatigue. I can look through swaros longer and that is really important. More time behind the glass the better.

Every time we are glassing and my buddy says there is a deer I look with my swaros and can quickly confirm if it is a deer or a stump.

I give him my binocs and I get one of two comments.

Wow that is a great deer, so clear or huh thatís a bush, those binocs take the fun out of this. Before I got the swaros we used to hike a mile to find a bush. Normally on the way to the bush we would bump other deer but I feel like with swaros we would have known the ďdeerĒ was really a bush and would have seen the other actually deer between us and the bush. :chuckle:
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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2023, 02:29:37 PM »
I traded my binos up to Zeiss from Vortex after reading ďBlacktail Trophy Tactics.Ē Zeiss sure makes some quality glass. Now Iím trying to figure out when to and when not to use them for hunting blacktail.
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Re: Not all glass is equal,just wow
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2023, 02:29:58 PM »
I bought a winning lottery ticket worth $500 and bought a Talon HD Binoculars (not a pair. I only needed one). Great glass and it does make a huge difference.
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