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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #165 on: January 16, 2024, 09:25:43 AM »
Easier to ask for more money if they let the infrastructure fail.
Thatís what they do. Canít ask for money if all is going well

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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #166 on: January 16, 2024, 01:24:58 PM »
"Hereís why electric cars donít go as far in the cold"

With temperatures bottoming out across the country, electric vehicle drivers are probably noticing their driving range plummeting. Hereís why it keeps happening Ė and thereís more to it than you might think.

Tests by the consumer advocacy group Consumer Reports showed that EV driving range dropped by about 25% in highway cruising, on average, in sub-freezing weather, compared to days with warmer outside temperatures.

There are two main reasons for the drop in driving range, or how far the car can go before recharging: The battery, and the driver. Both human beings and EV batteries work best within a similar temperature range, which is roughly in the mid-60s degree to mid-70s Fahrenheit, said Andy Garberson, head of marketing for EV battery research company Recurrent.

Batteries operate through chemical reactions with electrons and ions moving from one side of the battery to the other. When it gets too cold, all sorts of chemical reactions slow down, including those taking place in a battery. That means driving range is reduced.

But human beings also donít function so well in the cold. When weíre driving on a cold day, we need to turn up the heat. Thatís actually a much bigger factor in reducing EV range than the effect of temperature on the battery itself, said Garberson.

In a gasoline-powered car, turning on the heater hardly impacts fuel economy at all. Thatís because gas engines make lots of heat all the time, in summer and winter. In fact, when your car burns gasoline to drive, more of the energy gets turned into waste heat than motion. Routing some of extra that heat into the cabin to keep occupants warm is no trouble at all.

Electric motors and batteries, on the other hand, produce very little waste heat. Thatís part of the reason why theyíre so efficient, as almost all the energy from the batteries is used for driving. But when the cabin needs heating, the energy used for that gets subtracted from the miles that can be driven. That means driving range can drop considerably.

In Consumer Reportsí EV tests, taking lots of short trips made things substantially worse. Every time the vehicle stopped and the cabin cooled down it had be reheated again when the vehicle started, sapping more energy, and doubling the amount of range lost.

Fortunately, most newer EV models have very efficient heat pump heating systems that help minimize the impact. But even those systems have their limits, and donít work well when temperatures drop below about 14 degrees Fahrenheit, said Garberson.

ďTheyíre considerably more efficient for heating, whether itís your house or your water heater or your car, so youíre just drawing less energy to heat your cabin,Ē he said.

Still, heating the cabin causes substantial range losses, he said.

EV charging times are longer when the temperature is cold. Charging, just like discharging Ėor powering the car Ė is a chemical reaction thatís slowed down when temperatures drop. In fact, some electric vehicles will greatly slow down their maximum fast charging in very cold weather to prevent battery damage.

Fortunately, most newer EVs have sophisticated temperature management systems that work to keep the battery pack close to its ideal temperature, said Garberson. If a driver puts an EV fast charger as their destination in the navigation system, the car will prepare itself.

ďIf youíre in cold weather, itís actually going to activate the thermal management to heat up that battery,Ē he said. ďAnd so the goal would be by the time you get to the charger, the battery is warm enough that it doesnít matter what the temperature is outside.Ē
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