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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2023, 11:09:00 AM »
If you're going to hunt long range, shoot a match bullet. Placement is key.

I would seriously disagree with that advice.

Match bullets have a thinner jacket and are typically not bonded to the core.......they often fragment on impact, resulting in limited penetration.

I would stick with quality bonded bullets, no matter the caliber.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2023, 12:23:41 PM »
If you're going to hunt long range, shoot a match bullet. Placement is key.

I would seriously disagree with that advice.

Match bullets have a thinner jacket and are typically not bonded to the core.......they often fragment on impact, resulting in limited penetration.

I would stick with quality bonded bullets, no matter the caliber.

I disagree with that statement

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2023, 01:21:05 PM »
Everyone can shoot what they want, but bonded bullets at long range and slow speed do not perform as intended. Again, placement is key. If you can't guarantee a lung, heart or soft tissue organ kill then don't shoot long range. Match bullets have no problem killing properly shot elk. Even when the thin bullet jacket peels off the lead core and the core punches through the animal. In fact, all of the elk I've taken or seen taken with match bullets to the rib cage resulted in total destruction of organs. I would take a 1/4 moa match bullet over a 1-2 moa bonded bullet at 700 yards 7 days a week.

If you like to break shoulders on elk and waste meat then you better shoot a bonded bullet.

I tell people all the time that you don't need a big .30 cal to kill elk size animals, you need a rifle you can place a bullet in the vitals from any field condition position of fire.

To the OP, get a caliber that cheats the wind the best. A fast and heavy (180gr+) 7mm is almost impossible to beat ballistically. Unless you get into .30 cals pushing 230's over 2950, it won't be done. The 7mm will be much more enjoyable to shoot and practice with, and more importantly, you'll be able to see more of your impacts through the scope.
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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2023, 02:08:28 PM »
LRX for the win. Holds together and opens at slower velocities.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2023, 02:13:50 PM »
I'll just leave this hear as they articulate my opinions and experiences with many bullets and countless kills. Bullets matter far more than headstamps and some bullets are just far superior killing implements than others. We are all so endoctrinated by 30+ years of marketing, that sometimes we can't see what's right in front of us :twocents:


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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2023, 02:22:37 PM »
I'll just leave this hear as they articulate my opinions and experiences with many bullets and countless kills. Bullets matter far more than headstamps and some bullets are just far superior killing implements than others. We are all so endoctrinated by 30+ years of marketing, that sometimes we can't see what's right in front of us :twocents:


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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2023, 02:28:12 PM »
I'll just leave this hear as they articulate my opinions and experiences with many bullets and countless kills. Bullets matter far more than headstamps and some bullets are just far superior killing implements than others. We are all so endoctrinated by 30+ years of marketing, that sometimes we can't see what's right in front of us :twocents:


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  :chuckle:🤦‍♂️. The fallacy spouted about match bullets gets me every single time haha
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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2023, 02:30:08 PM »
I haven’t tested the lower velocity range yet, but I can guarantee hammer hunter monolithic bullets are deadly accurate and deadly on animals. 

Bullets do matter….ive had good and bad experiences over the years.  With that said, knowing your bullet and its capabilities is a must.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2023, 02:36:49 PM »
I haven’t tested the lower velocity range yet, but I can guarantee hammer hunter monolithic bullets are deadly accurate and deadly on animals. 

Bullets do matter….ive had good and bad experiences over the years.  With that said, knowing your bullet and its capabilities is a must.

Thats because they aren't bonded  :sry:

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2023, 03:47:26 PM »
Everyone can shoot what they want, but bonded bullets at long range and slow speed do not perform as intended. Again, placement is key. If you can't guarantee a lung, heart or soft tissue organ kill then don't shoot long range. Match bullets have no problem killing properly shot elk. Even when the thin bullet jacket peels off the lead core and the core punches through the animal. In fact, all of the elk I've taken or seen taken with match bullets to the rib cage resulted in total destruction of organs. I would take a 1/4 moa match bullet over a 1-2 moa bonded bullet at 700 yards 7 days a week.

If you like to break shoulders on elk and waste meat then you better shoot a bonded bullet.

I tell people all the time that you don't need a big .30 cal to kill elk size animals, you need a rifle you can place a bullet in the vitals from any field condition position of fire.

To the OP, get a caliber that cheats the wind the best. A fast and heavy (180gr+) 7mm is almost impossible to beat ballistically. Unless you get into .30 cals pushing 230's over 2950, it won't be done. The 7mm will be much more enjoyable to shoot and practice with, and more importantly, you'll be able to see more of your impacts through the scope.

 :yeah: my 6.5 prc 147 match bullets absolutly destroyed my elk internally at 500 yards on the dot this year, impossible right?

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2023, 04:28:02 PM »
Why is it that every time I see one of these "long range" hunting youtubers who say they practice so much and that they never miss etc etc just to see them fling a bunch of lead downrange at 700 yards and hit back hams or gut punch animals. The one youtube group that is censored on here being a great example of guys who say theyre good out to 750yards then proceed to edit out the bad shots they make because the wind shifted because theyre shooting too damn far to begin with. Everyone these days wants to think theyre good out to a half mile, and maybe they are, but its my opinion that you shouldnt shoot that far at our animals with any bullet, match, bonded or otherwise.

For this reason I think you should consider a 12 gauge slug gun for your elk rifle.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2023, 05:01:50 PM »
Why is it that every time I see one of these "long range" hunting youtubers who say they practice so much and that they never miss etc etc just to see them fling a bunch of lead downrange at 700 yards and hit back hams or gut punch animals. The one youtube group that is censored on here being a great example of guys who say theyre good out to 750yards then proceed to edit out the bad shots they make because the wind shifted because theyre shooting too damn far to begin with. Everyone these days wants to think theyre good out to a half mile, and maybe they are, but its my opinion that you shouldnt shoot that far at our animals with any bullet, match, bonded or otherwise.

For this reason I think you should consider a 12 gauge slug gun for your elk rifle.
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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2023, 05:10:19 PM »
I can confirm that they do in fact suck.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2023, 06:35:13 PM »
Why is it that every time I see one of these "long range" hunting youtubers who say they practice so much and that they never miss etc etc just to see them fling a bunch of lead downrange at 700 yards and hit back hams or gut punch animals. The one youtube group that is censored on here being a great example of guys who say theyre good out to 750yards then proceed to edit out the bad shots they make because the wind shifted because theyre shooting too damn far to begin with. Everyone these days wants to think theyre good out to a half mile, and maybe they are, but its my opinion that you shouldnt shoot that far at our animals with any bullet, match, bonded or otherwise.

For this reason I think you should consider a 12 gauge slug gun for your elk rifle.

I bet we could get a rifled slug gun to shoot 700 yards  :drool:

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2023, 09:58:20 AM »
I'll just leave this hear as they articulate my opinions and experiences with many bullets and countless kills. Bullets matter far more than headstamps and some bullets are just far superior killing implements than others. We are all so endoctrinated by 30+ years of marketing, that sometimes we can't see what's right in front of us :twocents:


https://shoot2hunt.com/35-bullet-ballistics-a-hunters-guide/

This was a very good listen.  Thanks for sharing. 

 


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