Idaho nonresident question

[CarbonHunter]

1) Must log in to account to get in virtual waiting room. Eliminates multiple devices

2) Each hunter must be present for in-person purchases

3) Ability to get in virtual waiting room as a pair or group

I think these would be logical changes.

Sounds like there will be some changes next year.

I would probably be in favor of a December draw for general tags. That is effectively what it would be, anyway.

People have been saying “they will change the system” for 3 years and yet no change. Idaho made millions of dollars in a matter of hours. It works for them.

[300rum]

No, its not that. 

The needed info has been forwarded to the proper individuals.  The system is absolutely terrible and rife with fraud and there are people making a ton of money off this today other the the State of Idaho.

It will be abundantly clear just how that can happen. 

My buddy was 8th in line. The guys that were 5 and 6 both left because the tags they were there for sold out just before they got to the counter. Of course the popular stuff sells first and then it slows down. I would expect it to.

When will it be clear?! Don’t hold us in suspense!

Why not just air it out?!

I did hear about people collecting money to wait in line for folks but that’s not exactly fraud, just kinda capitalism. Maybe operating without a business license.

[Dark2Dark]

1) Must log in to account to get in virtual waiting room. Eliminates multiple devices

2) Each hunter must be present for in-person purchases

3) Ability to get in virtual waiting room as a pair or group

I think these would be logical changes.

Sounds like there will be some changes next year.

I would probably be in favor of a December draw for general tags. That is effectively what it would be, anyway.

Been hearing about changes for years now.  None have happened other than maybe a smoother running online sales

How many years? The new rules just started in 2021. Lol.

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[300rum]

This is what I am going to say, think about it.... 

If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you. 

At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly,  no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online.  All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly.  Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.

 
 

[Dark2Dark]

This is what I am going to say, think about it.... 

If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you. 

At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly,  no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online.  All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly.  Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.

 
 

So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?

If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?

I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.

[CarbonHunter]

This is what I am going to say, think about it.... 

If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you. 

At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly,  no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online.  All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly.  Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.

 
 

So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?

If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?

I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.

Haha, this isn’t a secret and it has been happening for years. Nothing says you have to be at the counter for a retailer to conduct the transaction.

[300rum]

There were vendors that never spoke to a hunter today that did 100k+ dollars of business today and it was done very quickly, in just minutes. 

This is what I am going to say, think about it.... 

If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you. 

At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly,  no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online.  All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly.  Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.

 
 

So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?

If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?

I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.

[300rum]

How much is it worth to be one of the first few put in at 9am? 

This is what I am going to say, think about it.... 

If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you. 

At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly,  no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online.  All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly.  Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.

 
 

So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?

If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?

I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.

Haha, this isn’t a secret and it has been happening for years. Nothing says you have to be at the counter for a retailer to conduct the transaction.

[TeacherMan]

There where lines at places that have never had lines before...like way off the beaten path places...
And people camping overnight by the hundreds.
Next year I guess you'll have to get in line two days early...

And ya.
Limit in person tags to just the purchaser...lots of locals buying tags for out of state friends...

Yeah St. Maries 😂😜 It was crazy. Last year the store owner said two guys were there waiting, this year there wasn’t a place to park within 3 blocks of the store. Complete craziness!

[CarbonHunter]

How much is it worth to be one of the first few put in at 9am? 

This is what I am going to say, think about it.... 

If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you. 

At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly,  no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online.  All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly.  Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.

 
 

So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?

If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?

I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.

Haha, this isn’t a secret and it has been happening for years. Nothing says you have to be at the counter for a retailer to conduct the transaction.

This is no different than the outfits that front your draw fees for you and apply for you in multiple state draws for a fee. They still have to hand jam all the entries in and they typically have a couple registers with people going one after another for about an hour. It’s called capitalism and they found a way to make money on the system. Not a crime.

Now if they were creating fake tags that would be a crime. Which in Montana is extremely easy to do these days given they allowed people to start printing there own tags…

[big wood]

I have been going to idaho since I killed my first bull at 15 in 1985. You either bought you tag in person or filled out the app and mailed it in with a cashiers check. We always got our tags. Since internet and social media it definitely has changed. Go hunt, eastmans, hunting fool all send notices reminding you of sale dates and times. which is part of the hunt being organized in remembering deadlines. I say raise price 1000

[R2Rcoulee]

There where lines at places that have never had lines before...like way off the beaten path places...
And people camping overnight by the hundreds.
Next year I guess you'll have to get in line two days early...

And ya.
Limit in person tags to just the purchaser...lots of locals buying tags for out of state friends...

Yeah St. Maries 😂😜 It was crazy. Last year the store owner said two guys were there waiting, this year there wasn’t a place to park within 3 blocks of the store. Complete craziness!

I agree that in person tags should just be to the purchaser. I was number 33 at a store in Idaho & most guys in front of me were buying for their buddies. One guy bought 8 tags.  So really I was probably 150 in line at the store. If you want to hunt as a group take the day off of work & go as a group a day early & get in line.

[Jimmy33]

How much is it worth to be one of the first few put in at 9am? 

This is what I am going to say, think about it.... 

If someone has your last name, d.o.b. and last four of your social and a credit card number they can buy a tag for you. 

At 9 a.m. all of that info is put in quickly,  no one needs to be standing in a line, no one has to be online.  All of the info can be put in dozens of times, hundreds of times, quickly.  Lot's of money will be made and even more money can be made depending on who gets put in first.

 
 

So if you’re a small retailer in Idaho, you pre-sell tags and licenses with an inflated processing fee?

If it’s an under the table cash transaction that’s definitely an issue. If it’s ran as a transaction on the books, is there a rule against it?

I thought a little about if I knew anyone anymore in Idaho that owned a sporting goods store that would help me out.

Haha, this isn’t a secret and it has been happening for years. Nothing says you have to be at the counter for a retailer to conduct the transaction.

You realize that these are OTC tags dont you? Its not antelope island.


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[Jimmy33]

I have been going to idaho since I killed my first bull at 15 in 1985. You either bought you tag in person or filled out the app and mailed it in with a cashiers check. We always got our tags. Since internet and social media it definitely has changed. Go hunt, eastmans, hunting fool all send notices reminding you of sale dates and times. which is part of the hunt being organized in remembering deadlines. I say raise price 1000

Please no…the OTC tags that Idaho sells are expensive enough


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[fowl smacker]

I have been going to idaho since I killed my first bull at 15 in 1985. You either bought you tag in person or filled out the app and mailed it in with a cashiers check. We always got our tags. Since internet and social media it definitely has changed. Go hunt, eastmans, hunting fool all send notices reminding you of sale dates and times. which is part of the hunt being organized in remembering deadlines. I say raise price 1000

If our state was managed how it should be there wouldn't be as long of lines for Idaho.