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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #225 on: December 12, 2023, 12:32:55 PM »
I think its still crazy all the fluff around this nowÖits an OTC tag. Before Idaho went to this system, tags were easier to get. I think a lot people panic buy. I dont mind the process, just think its silly how crazy it has got.


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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #226 on: December 12, 2023, 03:49:41 PM »
I think its still crazy all the fluff around this nowÖits an OTC tag. Before Idaho went to this system, tags were easier to get. I think a lot people panic buy. I dont mind the process, just think its silly how crazy it has got.


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I donít think the change is related to the style of selling. Several states reduced tag numbers, reduced non-resident allocations, increased tag prices, Washington continued its downward spiral, and there are several tag data apps that became popular and mainstream over the same window of time.
Every western state is experiencing higher demand through the same time period.

I donít believe the increased demand on Idaho non-resident tags is due to the method of sale.

Having the sale early in the tag draw season probably helps a lot due to folks not yet having other opportunities lined up. The opening sales date of December isnít a new thing though.

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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #227 on: December 12, 2023, 05:05:08 PM »
I understand that tags have always been sold on December 1st. Ive been hunting Idaho for a long time. Thats my point exactly. The new system ensures that everyone who was even thinking of buying a tag for Idaho over the next year buys them on december 1st. If they didnít have this new way of selling their tags, the tags would not be selling so fast.


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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #228 on: December 12, 2023, 05:25:34 PM »
Complaining on this site about the way Idaho sells nonresident tags is about as effective as complaining on Fox News about people who support gun control. Nothing will ever change.

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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #229 on: December 12, 2023, 05:42:29 PM »
Complaining on this site about the way Idaho sells nonresident tags is about as effective as complaining on Fox News about people who support gun control. Nothing will ever change.
True that


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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #230 on: December 12, 2023, 06:32:42 PM »
The in-person buying just isn't sustainable. More people learn about it every year, and people are already camping outside license dealers. I've started to lean against using the word, "fair" for making changes to the system because the people that go in person are putting forth more effort, sacrificing a day at work, etc. The people paying license vendors to buy for them before serving in-person customers has to stop. But I think the following would provide more consistent opportunity and transparency.

1. Limit in-person proxy buying to family members and one outside of family. (biggest problem with this is with the guides, they'll never let this pass. So may need a carve out for them too)
2. Login required prior to 10am MST to eliminate multiple devices.
3. Allow party applications up to 4 people online, group must be logged in and assembled in the waiting room prior to 10am MST.
In regards to the parenthetical in point 1, the outfitters are already allotted tags for their unit/zone, the ones who are going out and buying for clients on Dec 1 are just cheating the system and increasing the number of tags within their control


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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #231 on: December 12, 2023, 07:01:52 PM »
I understand that tags have always been sold on December 1st. Ive been hunting Idaho for a long time. Thats my point exactly. The new system ensures that everyone who was even thinking of buying a tag for Idaho over the next year buys them on december 1st. If they didnít have this new way of selling their tags, the tags would not be selling so fast.


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Im pretty sure they made the waiting room because of demand to buy the tags, not the other way around. A guy used to be able to buy tags in october. Why would they have a waiting room if there is never demand to overrun the website?

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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #232 on: December 12, 2023, 07:40:51 PM »
I understand that tags have always been sold on December 1st. Ive been hunting Idaho for a long time. Thats my point exactly. The new system ensures that everyone who was even thinking of buying a tag for Idaho over the next year buys them on december 1st. If they didnít have this new way of selling their tags, the tags would not be selling so fast.


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Im pretty sure they made the waiting room because of demand to buy the tags, not the other way around. A guy used to be able to buy tags in october. Why would they have a waiting room if there is never demand to overrun the website?

Demand for a few tags, the new system creates an artificial demand on a big portion of idahos tags... having deer hunters and elk hunters in the same pool creats alot of it...when they move to a draw I believe you will see different numbers floating around

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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #233 on: December 12, 2023, 07:43:55 PM »
Well I figured out how to solve the problem..



I'm just moving to Idaho  :chuckle:

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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #234 on: December 12, 2023, 08:44:18 PM »
Well I figured out how to solve the problem..



I'm just moving to Idaho  :chuckle:

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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #235 on: December 12, 2023, 09:14:54 PM »
The in-person buying just isn't sustainable. More people learn about it every year, and people are already camping outside license dealers. I've started to lean against using the word, "fair" for making changes to the system because the people that go in person are putting forth more effort, sacrificing a day at work, etc. The people paying license vendors to buy for them before serving in-person customers has to stop. But I think the following would provide more consistent opportunity and transparency.

1. Limit in-person proxy buying to family members and one outside of family. (biggest problem with this is with the guides, they'll never let this pass. So may need a carve out for them too)
2. Login required prior to 10am MST to eliminate multiple devices.
3. Allow party applications up to 4 people online, group must be logged in and assembled in the waiting room prior to 10am MST.
In regards to the parenthetical in point 1, the outfitters are already allotted tags for their unit/zone, the ones who are going out and buying for clients on Dec 1 are just cheating the system and increasing the number of tags within their control


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My understanding is they don't think the allocated tags are enough and they have enough political power to stymie anything that might prevent them from getting more tags.

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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #236 on: December 12, 2023, 09:17:39 PM »
I understand that tags have always been sold on December 1st. Ive been hunting Idaho for a long time. Thats my point exactly. The new system ensures that everyone who was even thinking of buying a tag for Idaho over the next year buys them on december 1st. If they didnít have this new way of selling their tags, the tags would not be selling so fast.


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Im pretty sure they made the waiting room because of demand to buy the tags, not the other way around. A guy used to be able to buy tags in october. Why would they have a waiting room if there is never demand to overrun the website?

Demand for a few tags, the new system creates an artificial demand on a big portion of idahos tags... having deer hunters and elk hunters in the same pool creats alot of it...when they move to a draw I believe you will see different numbers floating around
Yep, its an artificial demand brought on by a one day waiting room buying process. People are afraid they will miss out. Before this happened, tags were a lot easier to come by. I agree that there is more demand, but this has definitely sped up the process of non tesident tags selling out more quickly.


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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #237 on: December 12, 2023, 09:22:28 PM »
This is just my opinion, but not only will they go to a non-resident draw for these licenses, they will also go to a non-resident bonus or preference point system. They are missing out on a massive revenue system that they could be charging non-residents. Now donít get mad at me for saying this. This isnít what I want. But just look at Wyomings non-resident preference point system and how much revenue they are getting from that. I think it is the largest contributor to their entire fish and wildlife budget. Itís just a matter of time.
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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #238 on: December 12, 2023, 10:02:32 PM »
Complaining on this site about the way Idaho sells nonresident tags is about as effective as complaining on Fox News about people who support gun control. Nothing will ever change.


so nobody should be complaining on here to bring up the discussion?? dont get the point of your post. Many of us commenting have emailed IDFG complaining of the system

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Re: Idaho nonresident question
« Reply #239 on: December 12, 2023, 10:04:32 PM »
I understand that tags have always been sold on December 1st. Ive been hunting Idaho for a long time. Thats my point exactly. The new system ensures that everyone who was even thinking of buying a tag for Idaho over the next year buys them on december 1st. If they didnít have this new way of selling their tags, the tags would not be selling so fast.


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none of this existed until they capped and made you pick a unit to hunt. Thats when the frenzy started
Im pretty sure they made the waiting room because of demand to buy the tags, not the other way around. A guy used to be able to buy tags in october. Why would they have a waiting room if there is never demand to overrun the website?

Demand for a few tags, the new system creates an artificial demand on a big portion of idahos tags... having deer hunters and elk hunters in the same pool creats alot of it...when they move to a draw I believe you will see different numbers floating around
Yep, its an artificial demand brought on by a one day waiting room buying process. People are afraid they will miss out. Before this happened, tags were a lot easier to come by. I agree that there is more demand, but this has definitely sped up the process of non tesident tags selling out more quickly.


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