Thermal vs. Night vision??

[huntandjeep]

How would something like a set of Merger LRF XL50s work during daylight ? Would you be able to see heat signatures ?

[Thermal Predator Control]

How would something like a set of Merger LRF XL50s work during daylight ? Would you be able to see heat signatures ?

Works great during the day.  If it’s super sunny light will get into your ocular lens and the reflection can mess with ya.  Also, if its warm outside objects like trees and rocks will carry as much heat as animals.  Fall, winter and spring are ideal times to use thermal

[Rainier10]

How would something like a set of Merger LRF XL50s work during daylight ? Would you be able to see heat signatures ?

I have a set of these coming and a pulsar thermion xp50 scope. I will give a report after I get them dialed in.

[KFhunter]

Pros and cons for both....from the folks that have experienced on or the other. 

I'm looking to outfit a 300 blackout that is suppressed.  16.5" barrel with 101 grain bullet....with max affective range of 250-300 yards.  Figure most shots will be under 100 given the place I will be hunting the most. 

Which is better for brushier country in the NE corner? 
What is the effective range of both...meaning how far / how well you can identify coyotes?
Which has better clarity / definition on game?? 

Anything else I'm missing??  Any recommendations of actual scopes? 

Thanks

Jrebel

With a $500 ATN I can see coyotes eyes well past 500 yards, and easily identify 150 or up to 300 in optimal conditions - but - I’m using a high power 1850nm bulb in a coyote night hunting flashlight I hook to the scope, it will NOT work in brush, the bloom is horrendous

If I use the supplied illuminator I can barely see 100 yards, it just doesn’t punch through


The only time I don’t need an illuminator is a full moon on crisp white crusty snow, 99% of the time I have the illuminator on


This setup works very well over bait, any real hunting use the best thermal you can afford, for my own property the budget ATN has done well, I’ve gotten quite a few coyotes and kept them off claves, my dogs and barn cat, my rabbits etc

[jstone]

I hunted Ireland this last fall. Shot 4 fox at night using a regular scope.
The guide had a thermal monocular and a red flashlight. He would call them in and once they got close he would shine the red light on them. It was hard at times finding the eyes before they took off. Once I learned the technique it was light out on those fox. First time hunting predator at night

[jrebel]

I’ve got an amazing light that has red, green and clear illumination….but that would require two people.   

Leaning hard to thermal, just getting the finances in order so I can buy the best I can afford.  Talked to a friend that has a thermal and he said a handheld is a must.   He said scanning with his rifle sucks.  This kind of makes sense….but two thermals is gonna get super pricy. 

[jstone]

I can’t remember the guides brand name but he said it was about 1800 bucks

[jrebel]

https://www.streamlight.com/products/detail/waypoint-400

This is the one I have in the truck.  It is a true spotlight...with a narrow beam.  On high, it will easily light up a hill 800-1000 yards away.  I bought it after being stalked by a cougar this year.  It is compact and relatively lightweight.  It will be on all pack missions when the sun goes down. 

I also bought the red and green lenses with the thought of yote hunting with it. 

[huntingfool7]

@jrebel   Which thermals are in the running?

[jrebel]

@jrebel   Which thermals are in the running?

I'm still not really sure.  Based on my research....mostly on youtube....I really like the pulsar scopes.  Still trying to figure out my budget as I have a lot of moving parts right now in my life and need to prioritize a few items. 

One of the scariest parts of purchasing a high dollar thermal is... I know nothing about them.  Literally never looked through one and no idea what I'm doing.  Lots of advise online and research being done to gather as much info as I can....but 5+K for a scope scares the hell out me.  Funny how I have no problem dropping 2-3K on a nightforce scope....but I know what they offer. 

[jstone]

What’s a good place to buy the thermal? Website or store

[birdshooter1189]

What’s a good place to buy the thermal? Website or store

I'd check out amazon.com, europtic.com, nightvisionoutfitters.com.  I have a friend who is a distributor/sales rep for nightvisionoutfitters.  I went through him.  He is on the west side, kitsap county.  Thermal Predator Control (who has posted on this thread) is also a distributor/sales rep for nightvisionoutfitters I believe and is on the east side near Okanogan.  I'd check out the website for general prices.  If you contact a sales rep they may be able to offer a better price that is not posted on the site.

[jstone]

Thank You Birdshooter1189

[Thermal Predator Control]

What’s a good place to buy the thermal? Website or store

Give me a call, I work for Night Vision Outfitters, I live in Washington state and can get you fixed up with what ever you need for thermal hunting.  Brad 5093086551

[jrebel]

ATN Thor LTV ultralight Thermal

Video-recording capability
1280x720-pixel video resolution
Advanced 12-micron thermal sensor
60Hz refresh rate
One-shot zero technology
Mount to a variety of platforms
Internal rechargeable lithium-ion battery

Is this a good deal for a beginner....$850 before tax.