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Offline JDHasty

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Their desire is to price most people out shooting sports

"The case came as the bald eagle, whose resurgence is considered one of the greatest conservation stories of the 21st century, faces a new threat: lead poisoning.

All but a few hundred bald eagles were presumed dead by the mid-20th century, killed off largely by the widespread use of the synthetic insecticide DDT. A ban on DDT in 1972 and conservation efforts helped the bird’s population to rebound. The bald eagle was removed from Endangered Species Act protection in 2007, and its estimated population had increased to 316,700 by 2019.

But researchers found last year that of the 1,200 eagles they tested, nearly half had been exposed repeatedly to lead, which can lead to death and slow population growth. Scientists believe that the primary source of the lead is spent ammunition from hunters, who shoot animals that the eagles then scavenge."

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/wa-man-hunted-eagles-in-illegal-killing-spree-u-s-says/

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Really? Is there a lead ban anywhere on shooting sports? Or just hunting? Personally I have no problem using copper when hunting. I don’t see the need to poison ravens, eagles and other animals. However to say price out of shooting sports seems like an over reaction.
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What animals are hunters walking away from with so much lead still left inside for an eagle to eat, coyotes, a grouse that got away? Another stupid angle by the antis. What about those windmills killing birds?
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It's been coming for years.
California has had a lead ban for awhile I believe.
The condors or whatever started the movement,as they found them dead with lead poisoning.
Plus we always follow California here in Washington.
No surprise there.

Pricing people out, probably not.
Company's that make all copper bullets will benefit,most companies that still sell traditional cup and lead core all have a copper line of bullets.

With all that.
It's kinda of a hassle on the reloader,and stock pile of lead bullets most reloader have in hand.
Work up a new load all that.
Long,long range shooters won't like it.
Cooper doesn't expand well when MV dips below a certain level.

Advantage and disadvantage all that.

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What animals are hunters walking away from with so much lead still left inside for an eagle to eat, coyotes, a grouse that got away? Another stupid angle by the antis. What about those windmills killing birds?
Many hunters leave gut piles and carcasses from animals they've killed. They may contain lead shrapnel.
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This is an issue that has been agenda driven for as long as I can remember.  By now you should all know how agenda driven hunting issues end up.    :twocents:

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What animals are hunters walking away from with so much lead still left inside for an eagle to eat, coyotes, a grouse that got away? Another stupid angle by the antis. What about those windmills killing birds?
Many hunters leave gut piles and carcasses from animals they've killed. They may contain lead shrapnel.
I get that but I guess I just never would have thought gut piles from rifle hunters as being a problem towards eagles death. There’s probably 20 other larger reasons why a bird of prey would prematurely die, I’m thinking lead is way down the list. It’s just another tool in the box for anti hunter arguments.
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 What a crock of BS, and shame on those of you falling for it!

 Bullets either pass all the way through, or are generally found by the hunters against the hide. “If” there are any “fragments” left, I seriously the doubt the birds are chewing them up and swallowing them. :twocents:
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Back Door Gun Control, is all it is!    The Center of Biodiversity is behind it all.  You can't fix stupid!

I wonder WHO is putting lead into the reports???  Remember the "Lynx hair" years ago planted by the USFS??  Then there is the years when the "lead ban" first got its roots,  Of ALL Bald Eagles those years, NO bird was found to have lead in them.  They found just one with duck meat in its stomach and a single pellet BUT it died when it hit a power line going over the Cascades to power up Seattle.

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I just wonder, in the case of the condors in California.  The lead bann started in the southern San Joaquin valley south of Merced around to the west side and up to hwy 152.  I wonder what happen to all the lead from the leaded gasoline, where did it go?  I believe that it coated all the plants in the foothills and worked it way up the food chain.  How many billions of gallons along Hwy99 and I5 were consumed and used along those two roads!  The wind blew out of the San Francisco Bay Area right into the valley.  Where did all that lead go?  Must of been too hard to find out!  Just blame hunters, the easiest!

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Where is the science?  Believing it came from a certain source and proving it with science are two different things. There are a lot of possible sources, including old house paint.

Did Sperm whales get lead in their bodies from eating carcasses hunters left in the woods that contained bullet fragments?   https://whale.org/new-study-reveals-levels-lead-sperm-whales/

Meanwhile, we have these idiots. 
https://www.newsweek.com/duo-poached-bald-eagles-killing-spree-3600-birds-doj-1851492
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Just a thought. It is completely blamed on hunting and shooting. But eagles prey alot on fish. Think about how much lead is left in the water by fisherman. Some broke off lures in fish and some sourced through fish eating off the bottom which I have seen a lot by trout. And eagles eat the fish. Not trying to point fingers at a one thing is the problem over another. But not trying to hear that hunters are the route cause either. If that makes sense. I don't always word things the best but hope what I said came off clear. There are so many factors to things.
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There's plenty of good helpful info out there from good folks that influenced me to go away from lead. It takes such little lead to be a problem for birds. When a monitored condor or eagle dies on a gut pile with lead it's pretty obvious what put the lead there. Turns out I prefer the performance of copper anyhow and I can give a deer carcass to my chickens with no worries.

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Birds like eagles and condors have very very acidic stomach acid. They have this so they can eat carrion. When you consume lead not very much of it breaks down in your stomach. When an eagle or condor eats lead a lot of it breaks down and enters the blood stream. They are small animals. A large bald eagle might weigh 15lbs. It doesn’t take much lead in your blood for it to be pretty harmful. There have been lots of studies that show condors and eagles with stomachs full of gut piles dying from lead poisoning. https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-news-release/groundbreaking-study-finds-widespread-lead-poisoning-bald-and-golden. Note that their populations are still growing but not as fast or as healthy as they could be. For me it’s about not killing another animal other than the one I shot. If it means I might not poison a bald eagle is a few dollars worth it? To me yeah. From there to say they want to cancel all shooting sports is ridiculous tho. How many of you would go out and shoot a bald eagle if you were allowed too? Would you feel bad if you did it on accident? It’s up to you and how you feel about it. However as hunters we preach follow the science and how we want what’s best for the animals and ecosystem. So again, if you can make sure you are not poisoning another animal why not?
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What a crock of BS, and shame on those of you falling for it!

 Bullets either pass all the way through, or are generally found by the hunters against the hide. “If” there are any “fragments” left, I seriously the doubt the birds are chewing them up and swallowing them. :twocents:
That’s what I thought as well. About 80% of the time I find my bullet somewhere under the skin or it blew out the other side. I remember reading an article about 15 years-ish ago about lead being a health concern for hunters and it contaminating big game meat.
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