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Is this a flat out lie?
« on: December 25, 2023, 08:51:49 AM »
Says no wolves have been reintroduced in WA!  :dunno:

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2023, 08:56:40 AM »
I appreciate evidence.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2023, 09:19:29 AM »
That sounds as true as the statements made here.

https://olympicparkadvocates.org/returning-wolves-to-the-olympics/

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2023, 09:31:33 AM »
The most generious correct statement that Could be made is that wolves introduction McKensy valley Canada to Idaho  are have migrated into Washington.

Hard proof of translocation has not been provided in Washington.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2023, 09:57:47 AM »
The part I find misleading is the wolves are coming here Now from other “states, provacinces.
I say NE Washington is a wolf hatchery. Raising wolves that instead of dispersing to other regions of Washington. The coast, Columbia basin, are dispersing to good wolf habitat: BC and Idaho. (And with help probably Colorado soon)
At F4WM Wolfer summit last summer a fellow from BC gave a presentation. 3rd generation predator control business up there. Very informative.
He trapped a wolf 300 miles +- north of the border. That wolf had a collar on. It had been collared just north of Spokane. He had a map showing everywhere that collar had pinged before he stopped it. Black wolf. He said he knew it was different gene pool before he saw the collar as had different fur color/quality than his black wolves. He caught three more in the area with the same fur gene.

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2023, 10:23:23 AM »
The most generious correct statement that Could be made is that wolves introduction McKensy valley Canada to Idaho  are have migrated into Washington.

Hard proof of translocation has not been provided in Washington.

This is where I’m at as well. Totally uneducated here, but it makes the most sense.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2023, 10:26:32 AM »
The part I find misleading is the wolves are coming here Now from other “states, provacinces.
I say NE Washington is a wolf hatchery. Raising wolves that instead of dispersing to other regions of Washington. The coast, Columbia basin, are dispersing to good wolf habitat: BC and Idaho. (And with help probably Colorado soon)
At F4WM Wolfer summit last summer a fellow from BC gave a presentation. 3rd generation predator control business up there. Very informative.
He trapped a wolf 300 miles +- north of the border. That wolf had a collar on. It had been collared just north of Spokane. He had a map showing everywhere that collar had pinged before he stopped it. Black wolf. He said he knew it was different gene pool before he saw the collar as had different fur color/quality than his black wolves. He caught three more in the area with the same fur gene.

This is precisely why it’s not hard for me to believe that a wolf could come from almost anywhere in our part of the continent and end up almost anywhere. They don’t need to “relocate” them. They’ll get wherever they want to on their own.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2023, 10:46:38 AM »
I don't know what's truth and what's a lie.

I can say.
Just like with cougars,I'm a 100 percent positive they have a genealogy, family tree if you will . On big game predators in the state.
Only one's that don't have DNA analysis,are the one's they have failed to count. Kinda like a kink in the chain.

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2023, 10:58:05 AM »
My point is: WDFW has been saying Washington has been the recipient of wolves from Idaho and BC from the beginning of modern wolf presence, to now.
I’m sure we are still getting some immigrants from those areas, but where’s the proof.
I’m saying it is much more likely Washington is now restocking Idaho and BC. Ley,The BC trapper,has shown us the proof of wolves from Washington restocking BC.
Main problem is WDFW is relying on the coasts and eastern wa wolf recovery zones, to be stocked by NE WA, Idaho, and BC.
The wolf plan requires those areas have viable wolf population before management restrictions can be lifted……never happen.

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2023, 11:31:07 AM »
Google definition of VERMIN   wild animals that are believed to be harmful to crops, farm animals, or game, or that carry disease


Just casual observations....

Focusing on other predators species, it is interesting that Lynx, Wolverines and Fisher have not shared the same success stories as the wolf even though these species have all been released here in Washington

Its also worth mentioning that the first tactic to "reintroduce" Grizzlies to Washington would be to cage them and to dump them off.   And that Grizz bears have been here and are still here and go back and forth across the canadian border and Idaho. 

I wonder why the thought of releasing or "reintorducing wolves is such a far fetched or taboo idea. 


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Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2023, 11:42:32 AM »
My point is: WDFW has been saying Washington has been the recipient of wolves from Idaho and BC from the beginning of modern wolf presence, to now.
I’m sure we are still getting some immigrants from those areas, but where’s the proof.
I’m saying it is much more likely Washington is now restocking Idaho and BC. Ley,The BC trapper,has shown us the proof of wolves from Washington restocking BC.
Main problem is WDFW is relying on the coasts and eastern wa wolf recovery zones, to be stocked by NE WA, Idaho, and BC.
The wolf plan requires those areas have viable wolf population before management restrictions can be lifted……never happen.

I bet that trapper could show the same thing with the wolves in Washington coming from other areas if he could trap them here too. What’s the difference?
There have also been documented/collared wolves from WA trapped in Idaho too.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2023, 11:45:45 AM »
Google definition of VERMIN   wild animals that are believed to be harmful to crops, farm animals, or game, or that carry disease


Just casual observations....

Focusing on other predators species, it is interesting that Lynx, Wolverines and Fisher have not shared the same success stories as the wolf even though these species have all been released here in Washington

Its also worth mentioning that the first tactic to "reintroduce" Grizzlies to Washington would be to cage them and to dump them off.   And that Grizz bears have been here and are still here and go back and forth across the canadian border and Idaho. 

I wonder why the thought of releasing or "reintorducing wolves is such a far fetched or taboo idea.

I’m not 100% sure about any of this stuff.
My only response/rebuttal to this concept is has there been an official/active “reintroduction” of wolves here by the WDFW? All the animals you mentioned have had active and publicized reintroductions by the state. Pretty sure the wolves haven’t had any kind of formal reintroduction.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2023, 11:49:12 AM »
Dont expect the truth to come out any sooner than restrictions are lifted.  Both never going to happen EVEN WITH a change of party in the govs office.   :twocents:

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2023, 11:58:12 AM »
Dont expect the truth to come out any sooner than restrictions are lifted.  Both never going to happen EVEN WITH a change of party in the govs office.   :twocents:
I agree
That was kinda point of my post about DNA.
Even if there was a truth , you'll never hear it.

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2023, 12:01:50 PM »
 I'd guess that the "lesser" species needed government funding to make happen and thats why it had to be "formal".   I would surmise wolf projects had all the funding and resources it needed to happen.   An example would be the 52,000 reward offered for information leading to the wolf poisionings in Stevens county.  Ever see that reward offered for any other critter, heck even a famous one like Harold.   

I find it surprising Washington wont even offer up 5 of its wolves to be trucked to poor Colorado, which you'd think a state so rich in game and territory like the Rockies, should be full of wolves.  Apparently none want to migrate that direction even in the back of a green or tan truck. LOL

 


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