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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2023, 05:06:54 PM »
Wolves are highly territorial and not uncommon to travel long distances finding a “home”  just a pack in their home range can travel 10-40 mi a day within their turf.

What’s funny about the re-introduction into Idaho’s lolo area in 1995 that there were wolves there and had been there for decades.
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Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2023, 05:52:19 PM »
The part I find misleading is the wolves are coming here Now from other “states, provacinces.
I say NE Washington is a wolf hatchery. Raising wolves that instead of dispersing to other regions of Washington. The coast, Columbia basin, are dispersing to good wolf habitat: BC and Idaho. (And with help probably Colorado soon)
At F4WM Wolfer summit last summer a fellow from BC gave a presentation. 3rd generation predator control business up there. Very informative.
He trapped a wolf 300 miles +- north of the border. That wolf had a collar on. It had been collared just north of Spokane. He had a map showing everywhere that collar had pinged before he stopped it. Black wolf. He said he knew it was different gene pool before he saw the collar as had different fur color/quality than his black wolves. He caught three more in the area with the same fur gene.


Why would 4 wolves travel 300+ miles north of where they were collared? Could it be they were looking for their home from where they were trapped and then relocated somewhere in Wa. State?  I think it is totally feasible.

Lots of other examples of this same
Sort of thing happening all over the west. This isn’t new or a one time thing.
Google Oregon OR-7 if you’re not familiar.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2023, 05:57:45 PM by jackelope »
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Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2023, 05:52:53 PM »
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.

Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected?   I don't think they could pull that off.

Bigfoot.
Another perfect example of this.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2023, 05:55:45 PM »
THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them.  I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:

Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.

So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2023, 07:35:16 PM »
THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them.  I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:

Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.

So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?

I don't know about trucks.
Very easily could be herded,or persuaded into Washington.
They always admit that they walked right in.
Think on that.....WALKED RIGHT IN.
No need to put them on a truck. :chuckle:

As far NE Washington...
There's a few stories,I can't really say them though.
So ya that's no fun. :chuckle:

Add this article.
Article does say three wolves went to BC.

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/216-wolves-counted-in-annual-washington-survey/




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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2023, 08:02:52 PM »
THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them.  I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:

Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.

So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
I wonder if part of this is because they know exactly where they're at because of collars.  I hunt areas where there are wolves, yet I've never seen them.  I have heard them in the distance a couple times.  How do they find them so easily to collar them if they were already in the wilderness?

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2023, 08:25:22 PM »
THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them.  I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:

Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.

So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
I wonder if part of this is because they know exactly where they're at because of collars.  I hunt areas where there are wolves, yet I've never seen them.  I have heard them in the distance a couple times.  How do they find them so easily to collar them if they were already in the wilderness?

Helicopters.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2023, 08:42:53 PM »
THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them.  I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:

Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.

So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
I wonder if part of this is because they know exactly where they're at because of collars.  I hunt areas where there are wolves, yet I've never seen them.  I have heard them in the distance a couple times.  How do they find them so easily to collar them if they were already in the wilderness?

Helicopters.
Helicopter probably biggest and best in the arsenal.
Padded foot hold traps have also been used to collar.
You only have to collar one or two to keep an eye on a pack.
Pretty easy to trap one,all it takes is a kill site and a lot wolf tracks around. Setup,come back next day. Tranquilized,put collar on.
After one has a collar,then the chopper comes in.
Put as many collars on them as you want.
You can always find them.

Wolf budget last year,1.6 million. Not sure how much is helicopter gas ,sure it's in there somewhere.
I believe the video I posted ,shows then using a foot hold traps to collar. I'm sure it's done many ways.


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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2023, 08:51:36 PM »
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.

Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected?   I don't think they could pull that off.
Very very very good point. The government could F up a wet dream, especially wdfw


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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2023, 08:54:38 PM »
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.

Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected?   I don't think they could pull that off.
Very very very good point. The government could F up a wet dream, especially wdfw


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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2023, 08:56:07 PM »
THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them.  I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:

Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.

So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
Look at it this way.  I guarantee any of us could go buy some wolves off someone, throw them in the back of our pickup and release them in the hills with no one having a clue!  It would be pretty simple.  The hardest part would be finding the wolves.   So I would have no doubt that the game department picked up some wolves and dumped them.  It would be much easier for them.  If you really look at it, it wouldn't be that hard.

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2023, 09:59:49 PM »
Kind of a water under the bridge thing. Don't worry at this point how they got here, concern is what to do now that they are.

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2023, 06:40:20 AM »
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So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks

Well, I'm in a bit of a precarious position on that.   My dad saw the trucks and saw it happening and he was not a liar or one who exaggerated.   I don't know what he saw, but he went to his grave believing it.

He is not one I tended to doubt and knowing how all that was handled at the time it is quite feasible.   There is also a veil of secrecy around much of the early wolf dealings which also casts a shadow on much of their dealings.   

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2023, 07:53:53 AM »
Says no wolves have been reintroduced in WA!  :dunno:

Technically it is true.
There have been wolves in the Colville area that I am aware of since the early 90s.
They are not the same wolves that were imported here by the Washington Department of Predator Propagation, they were much smaller, think a coyote times two.
There were three that we saw for years, two gray and one black. Never had any issues with them so we left them alone.
Then it changed, quickly. In a few years there were wolf packs throughout the state. How did this happen after decades of virtually no wolves.
I for one do not know the whole story by any means but common sense tells you there was a driving force behind it.
One portion of the story I did get from those involved was from two Alaskan Game Officers telling of Washington buying wolves from Alaska, B.S. maybe. Did some walk here, no doubt.
But as said before, there was a spark. A decision by the above named Department strongly influenced by a political agenda.
Just an observation from someone who watched it happen in real time.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2023, 08:28:56 AM »
Says no wolves have been reintroduced in WA!  :dunno:

Technically it is true.
There have been wolves in the Colville area that I am aware of since the early 90s.
They are not the same wolves that were imported here by the Washington Department of Predator Propagation, they were much smaller, think a coyote times two.
There were three that we saw for years, two gray and one black. Never had any issues with them so we left them alone.
Then it changed, quickly. In a few years there were wolf packs throughout the state. How did this happen after decades of virtually no wolves.
I for one do not know the whole story by any means but common sense tells you there was a driving force behind it.
One portion of the story I did get from those involved was from two Alaskan Game Officers telling of Washington buying wolves from Alaska, B.S. maybe. Did some walk here, no doubt.
But as said before, there was a spark. A decision by the above named Department strongly influenced by a political agenda.
Just an observation from someone who watched it happen in real time.
Take care, Duane.
Yup, I agree.
Seen wolves in the 90's as well.
That's one of the stories I wasn't gonna tell.
I also would say there is another story,emac comment would play into that story.
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