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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #120 on: February 27, 2024, 04:37:45 PM »
A no-point system, random draw where NR are required to purchase a hunting license up front (refundable if not drawn) and can apply as a group seems like a common sense change. Eliminates the in-person loophole, people on multiple devices, and people that buy tags just to turn them back in later. Of course this is just the framework and not the actual details of the draw system.

If it doesn't pass, I'll be in person next year buying for me and all my buddies. It's on a Sunday. I imagine the license sales locations will look like downtown Seattle with all the tents that whole weekend.
There is exactly ZERO chance they are refunding license costs. They have never refunded license costs for unsuccessful applicants and they never will because they don't have to.
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #121 on: February 27, 2024, 06:27:16 PM »
Hoping they do the regular sale Dec 1 before law change Jan 1 so I get one last year of sure tags before everything gth!

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #122 on: February 27, 2024, 07:00:28 PM »
There will still be return tag sales. Iíve picked up most of my tags that way. Last bull and buck both were returns

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #123 on: February 27, 2024, 08:43:31 PM »
A no-point system, random draw where NR are required to purchase a hunting license up front (refundable if not drawn) and can apply as a group seems like a common sense change. Eliminates the in-person loophole, people on multiple devices, and people that buy tags just to turn them back in later. Of course this is just the framework and not the actual details of the draw system.

If it doesn't pass, I'll be in person next year buying for me and all my buddies. It's on a Sunday. I imagine the license sales locations will look like downtown Seattle with all the tents that whole weekend.
There is exactly ZERO chance they are refunding license costs. They have never refunded license costs for unsuccessful applicants and they never will because they don't have to.

 :dunno: even better now that I think about it. Will weed out the people that aren't serious about hunting in Idaho that year.

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #124 on: February 27, 2024, 10:06:44 PM »
I canít believe how ignorant some of you are. Advocating for a draw system vs OTC? Get out of here, if you canít figure out how to play the game with the current system shame on you. Idaho was a great place for NR, that you could get a tag for every year if you wanted. Sure seemed like the game department did their best trying to keep the old system and satisfy their residents. But, when you have NR and resident scream at you over the same crap it sure makes for an easy solution. This is not a win for any NR imo.

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #125 on: February 27, 2024, 10:16:11 PM »
I canít believe how ignorant some of you are. Advocating for a draw system vs OTC? Get out of here, if you canít figure out how to play the game with the current system shame on you. Idaho was a great place for NR, that you could get a tag for every year if you wanted. Sure seemed like the game department did their best trying to keep the old system and satisfy their residents. But, when you have NR and resident scream at you over the same crap it sure makes for an easy solution. This is not a win for any NR imo.

you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #126 on: February 28, 2024, 05:28:25 AM »
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??

With a draw I wonít be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. Thatís the change.  It wonít hurt nonres who havenít figured out how to get tags.

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #127 on: February 28, 2024, 05:50:19 AM »
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??

With a draw I wonít be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. Thatís the change.  It wonít hurt nonres who havenít figured out how to get tags.

Hunting every year will still be possible.
Way to many variables at this point. If it goes to draw will you get 2 or 4 choices.
Depending on your unit choices, I think most people will still get tags.  Right now with the cluster on Dec 1 there's so many new people trying to hunt Idaho when their turn comes up they just throw a dart and pick a unit... often never having set foot in it..
The popular units will obviously be difficult to draw...but I'd say a majority will get first choice.

As for having it figured out...it's only a matter of time before other people figure out what you did..my buddies had it figured out... figured out enough to buy property where they've hunted for 15 plus years... until this year when other people caught on,  and they didn't get tags..

I don't think to many are advocating for the draw system... I'd would of rather seen them take other steps first...no group buying, no in person...but in reality Idaho is just catching up to other Western States...and they aren't concerned with hurting the feelings of some non res guys...for every one that decides to boycott Idaho 10 more are waiting to go..

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2024, 06:06:32 AM »
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??

With a draw I wonít be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. Thatís the change.  It wonít hurt nonres who havenít figured out how to get tags.

Oh you could easily depending upon units. And if you can hunt every year now then you were not after the tags that were sold in minutes which means you could buy tags throughout out the return process.

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #129 on: February 28, 2024, 08:38:48 AM »
A no-point system, random draw where NR are required to purchase a hunting license up front (refundable if not drawn) and can apply as a group seems like a common sense change. Eliminates the in-person loophole, people on multiple devices, and people that buy tags just to turn them back in later. Of course this is just the framework and not the actual details of the draw system.

If it doesn't pass, I'll be in person next year buying for me and all my buddies. It's on a Sunday. I imagine the license sales locations will look like downtown Seattle with all the tents that whole weekend.
There is exactly ZERO chance they are refunding license costs. They have never refunded license costs for unsuccessful applicants and they never will because they don't have to.

 :dunno: even better now that I think about it. Will weed out the people that aren't serious about hunting in Idaho that year.
I agree. I'm still 1000% against a draw but if they do implement one there should definitely be a license fee to apply :twocents:
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #130 on: February 28, 2024, 09:45:54 AM »
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??

With a draw I wonít be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. Thatís the change.  It wonít hurt nonres who havenít figured out how to get tags.

Hunting every year will still be possible.
Way to many variables at this point. If it goes to draw will you get 2 or 4 choices.
Depending on your unit choices, I think most people will still get tags.  Right now with the cluster on Dec 1 there's so many new people trying to hunt Idaho when their turn comes up they just throw a dart and pick a unit... often never having set foot in it..
The popular units will obviously be difficult to draw...but I'd say a majority will get first choice.

As for having it figured out...it's only a matter of time before other people figure out what you did..my buddies had it figured out... figured out enough to buy property where they've hunted for 15 plus years... until this year when other people caught on,  and they didn't get tags..

I don't think to many are advocating for the draw system... I'd would of rather seen them take other steps first...no group buying, no in person...but in reality Idaho is just catching up to other Western States...and they aren't concerned with hurting the feelings of some non res guys...for every one that decides to boycott Idaho 10 more are waiting to go..

Yeah I'd say most would rather they just fix the bugs in the current system.

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #131 on: February 28, 2024, 09:54:42 AM »
you even understand the current non resident general tag sale? and nothing will change with a draw and getting tags every year. And whats with the comment with the old sytem to satisfy residents??

With a draw I wonít be able to hunt Idaho every year for elk like I can now. Thatís the change.  It wonít hurt nonres who havenít figured out how to get tags.

Hunting every year will still be possible.
Way to many variables at this point. If it goes to draw will you get 2 or 4 choices.
Depending on your unit choices, I think most people will still get tags.  Right now with the cluster on Dec 1 there's so many new people trying to hunt Idaho when their turn comes up they just throw a dart and pick a unit... often never having set foot in it..
The popular units will obviously be difficult to draw...but I'd say a majority will get first choice.

As for having it figured out...it's only a matter of time before other people figure out what you did..my buddies had it figured out... figured out enough to buy property where they've hunted for 15 plus years... until this year when other people caught on,  and they didn't get tags..

I don't think to many are advocating for the draw system... I'd would of rather seen them take other steps first...no group buying, no in person...but in reality Idaho is just catching up to other Western States...and they aren't concerned with hurting the feelings of some non res guys...for every one that decides to boycott Idaho 10 more are waiting to go..

Yeah I'd say most would rather they just fix the bugs in the current system.

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #132 on: February 28, 2024, 09:55:35 AM »
While I'd much rather them fix the current system, a draw will show the true demand for some of these units..if they mix the otc draw with the special draw it will reduce the demand even further. The current demand is pretty inflated


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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #133 on: February 28, 2024, 11:51:57 AM »
While I'd much rather them fix the current system, a draw will show the true demand for some of these units..if they mix the otc draw with the special draw it will reduce the demand even further. The current demand is pretty inflated
If they do mix the general and LE tags there are gonna be some seriously pissed off moose, sheep, goat guys. Odds could get a lot better for the oils in that instance however if general season hunters opt out of applying for an oil species to pursue deer and elk general.
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #134 on: February 28, 2024, 02:34:20 PM »
While I'd much rather them fix the current system, a draw will show the true demand for some of these units..if they mix the otc draw with the special draw it will reduce the demand even further. The current demand is pretty inflated
If they do mix the general and LE tags there are gonna be some seriously pissed off moose, sheep, goat guys. Odds could get a lot better for the oils in that instance however if general season hunters opt out of applying for an oil species to pursue deer and elk general.

It's that or have two draws, be an easy way to cut down demand and stop guys like me from getting a Gen deer tag as simply a back up tag to my other hunts

 


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