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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #135 on: February 28, 2024, 02:40:01 PM »
While I'd much rather them fix the current system, a draw will show the true demand for some of these units..if they mix the otc draw with the special draw it will reduce the demand even further. The current demand is pretty inflated
If they do mix the general and LE tags there are gonna be some seriously pissed off moose, sheep, goat guys. Odds could get a lot better for the oils in that instance however if general season hunters opt out of applying for an oil species to pursue deer and elk general.
This right here is part of my concern with the future of resident hunters. As it is now we have our general deer and elk tags and we can choose what to apply for, be it OIL species or D,E,A. I will always choose OIL but what happens when they go to a draw for residents? Itís coming if we donít do something which is why I think they need to go to a zone model for deer for the residents to spread hunting pressure out and hopefully hold off a draw in the future. All of the extra pressure isnít coming from nonresidents, itís coming from new residents and the reality is that we all seem to have more free time now and it is nothing for guys to chase seasons across the state wherever theyíre open now, Iíve been guilty myself. I wonder if we had zone tags if some guys might be more successful due to the fact they will learn the area theyíre hunting and not spread themselves as thin come season


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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #136 on: February 28, 2024, 06:28:20 PM »
Iíd say almost 0% chance of the general and permit being combined. No reason to and they wouldnít fully maximize application fees and license sales. To me there will be window in November or December to apply .  Month later the results post and everything is the same going forward . April and may there will be the first return/ underdrawn tag sale and so forth . Probably be a couple units that donít draw out

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #137 on: February 28, 2024, 09:26:20 PM »
Iíd say almost 0% chance of the general and permit being combined. No reason to and they wouldnít fully maximize application fees and license sales. To me there will be window in November or December to apply .  Month later the results post and everything is the same going forward . April and may there will be the first return/ underdrawn tag sale and so forth . Probably be a couple units that donít draw out
I agree they won't combine but as that bill is worded, there won't be any returned tag sale. "All tags must be obtained through a draw."
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #138 on: February 28, 2024, 10:22:55 PM »
there would have to be if you draw a LE tag and currently you can get a tag in ID and return it. There is all the left over outfitter tags in August up for sale. Guess we will see what happens

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #139 on: February 29, 2024, 04:55:23 AM »
there would have to be if you draw a LE tag and currently you can get a tag in ID and return it. There is all the left over outfitter tags in August up for sale. Guess we will see what happens
Save them all for the 2nd draw in late august maybe?


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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #140 on: February 29, 2024, 09:32:33 AM »
As worded a NR is required to obtain through a draw. Who the hell knows how that shakes out but if that's the mandate of the bill then IDFG will not be able to sell any deer, elk, antelope tag over the counter. So if we are lucky we would get a second draw. Then I'd imagine any returned tags or Surplus will be available in August for residents to purchase as second tags at NR pricing. Obviously just spitballing all this as we have no clue how IDFG will go about implementing the draw but unless they change the wording of that bill it feels pretty clear NR wll not and cannot acquire a tag outside of a draw. :twocents:
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #141 on: March 01, 2024, 12:43:30 PM »
This is the latest I've heard regarding the bill:

House Bill 587 (HB587) - Non-Resident Tag Purchase Bill

While HB587 has been printed, it has yet to be heard in Committee, and we have reason to expect that it may be replaced with a new, amended version soon.
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #142 on: March 01, 2024, 12:51:25 PM »
This is the latest I've heard regarding the bill:

House Bill 587 (HB587) - Non-Resident Tag Purchase Bill

While HB587 has been printed, it has yet to be heard in Committee, and we have reason to expect that it may be replaced with a new, amended version soon.

Be interesting to see how it plays outÖ As a resident id like to see something change. Itís complete chaos in town when they open sales up. Our gas station very much becomes overwhelmed 😂
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #143 on: March 01, 2024, 01:05:53 PM »
This is the latest I've heard regarding the bill:

House Bill 587 (HB587) - Non-Resident Tag Purchase Bill

While HB587 has been printed, it has yet to be heard in Committee, and we have reason to expect that it may be replaced with a new, amended version soon.

Be interesting to see how it plays outÖ As a resident id like to see something change. Itís complete chaos in town when they open sales up. Our gas station very much becomes overwhelmed 😂

I figured the language was too generic and that more specific language would be considered. Yeah, every town close to the border statewide has that problem.
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #144 on: March 03, 2024, 10:12:19 AM »
I'm really torn on this whole deal.

I guess I feel the draw will be better, at least if you want to hunt with a buddy or a specific region your odds will likely be better than going online.

It will be interesting to see what it does to the trophy species odds, since you will have to choose if the OTC goes draw :twocents:
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #145 on: March 07, 2024, 10:44:17 PM »
Little update on this one. They've junked HB 587 and replaced it with HB 696. Bit more detail in this one but still vague as can

NONRESIDENT TAGS AND PERMITS -- DEER, ELK, AND PRONGHORN ANTE-
LOPE. On and after November 15, 2026, any deer, elk, or pronghorn antelope
tag or permit will not be available for sale on a first-come, first-served
 basis to a nonresident who is subject to a general hunt tag quota set pursuant
to section 36-408, Idaho Code, unless that tag is unclaimed, returned, or
otherwise unsold after being made available through at least one (1) drawing
or otherwise set aside as a tag for outfitted hunter use pursuant to section
36-408, Idaho Code. The fish and game commission is authorized to promulgate
rules to implement this section, subject to approval by the legislature.


SECTION 2. That Chapter 4, Title 36, Idaho Code, be, and the same is
hereby amended by the addition thereto of a NEW SECTION, to be known and des-
ignated as Section 36-419A, Idaho Code, and to read as follows:
36-419A. NONRESIDENT DRAW IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE. (1) There is
hereby created the nonresident draw implementation committee, which shall
meet as often as is necessary to develop a plan for implementing the provi-
sions of section 36-419, Idaho Code, including any recommended law and rule
changes, and shall deliver such plan to the Idaho legislature by January
13, 2025. The members of the committee shall serve at the pleasure of their
appointing authorities. The committee shall include:


(a) One (1) state representative appointed by the speaker of the house
of representatives;
(b) One (1) state senator appointed by the president pro tempore of the
senate;
(c) One (1) Idaho fish and game commissioner, appointed by the Idaho
fish and game commission;
(d) One (1) Idaho resident who holds a valid Idaho hunting license,
jointly appointed by the speaker of the house of representatives, the
president pro tempore of the senate, and the director of the Idaho de-
partment of fish and game;

(e) One (1) Idaho resident holding a valid license from the Idaho out-fitters and guides licensing board and who is a member of a bona fide Idaho outfitters and guides group, appointed jointly by the speaker of
 the house of representatives and the president pro tempore of the senate; and

(f) One (1) Idaho resident holding a valid Idaho hunting license and who
 is a member of a bona fide Idaho sportsmen's group, appointed jointly by
 the speaker of the house of representatives, the president pro tempore
 of the senate, and the director of the Idaho department of fish and game.
(2) The individuals appointed pursuant to subsection (1)(a) and (b) of
 this section shall serve as the cochairs of the committee.
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #146 on: March 07, 2024, 11:15:46 PM »
And how are they going to work general tag draws into the mix of the actual special draws in June?

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #147 on: March 07, 2024, 11:32:36 PM »
Maybe we could just do all the draws in December so we know before wyoming deadline  :hello:

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #148 on: March 08, 2024, 05:33:00 AM »
And how are they going to work general tag draws into the mix of the actual special draws in June?
I'm assuming that will be decided by the super committee of hand picked puppets that these legislators will cherry pick.
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #149 on: March 08, 2024, 07:06:02 AM »
And how are they going to work general tag draws into the mix of the actual special draws in June?

The current application period for residents and nonresidents for deer and elk is May 1-30, I don't see anything changing that in the new language.

I figured there would be a language update to address the "too" generic language of the first bill, the new language seems to address most of the issues such as how to implement the change and a timeline among other things. Like many bills, there may be additional tweaks made in committee.
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