Here goes idaho

[kentrek]

A big reason for idahos demand is because they are first up in the tag season...if they wait until May they will lose all there "customers" to other states

[Karl Blanchard]

A big reason for idahos demand is because they are first up in the tag season...if they wait until May they will lose all there "customers" to other states

 

[2MANY]

They will not.
Every office jockey will be applying and playing the new state sponsored gambling game.
Today's leaders continue to remove hard work from success and reward the lazy.
Soon you'll be playing the lottery to see who can hike up a trail.

AND don't worry,
The state and feds will charge you to enter the game because they NEVER do anything unless there's a reward in it for them.

[Brushbuster]

Thank you for the update Karl.

[Taco280AI]

Idaho non res sales start on December 10th instead of the 1st this year.

[2MANY]

They will not.
Every office jockey will be applying and playing the new state sponsored gambling game.
Today's leaders continue to remove hard work from success and reward the lazy.
Soon you'll be playing the lottery to see who can hike up a trail.

AND don't worry,
The state and feds will charge you to enter the game because they NEVER do anything unless there's a reward in it for them.

I was just reading this post thinking this dude is 100% correct.
Then I realized it was me.

Talk about an old fart!

[Magnum_Willys]

They will not.
Every office jockey will be applying and playing the new state sponsored gambling game.
Today's leaders continue to remove hard work from success and reward the lazy.
Soon you'll be playing the lottery to see who can hike up a trail.

AND don't worry,
The state and feds will charge you to enter the game because they NEVER do anything unless there's a reward in it for them.

I was just reading this post thinking this dude is 100% correct.
Then I realized it was me.

Talk about an old fart!

Too true !  Been there done that!  Pull out a magazine from 3 months ago and read it again like its a new one.  Haha

[Magnum_Willys]

Sounds like we have one more year with current system.
Whoop!!!!

[bearpaw]

While I'd much rather them fix the current system, a draw will show the true demand for some of these units..if they mix the otc draw with the special draw it will reduce the demand even further. The current demand is pretty inflated

If they do mix the general and LE tags there are gonna be some seriously pissed off moose, sheep, goat guys. Odds could get a lot better for the oils in that instance however if general season hunters opt out of applying for an oil species to pursue deer and elk general.

This right here is part of my concern with the future of resident hunters. As it is now we have our general deer and elk tags and we can choose what to apply for, be it OIL species or D,E,A. I will always choose OIL but what happens when they go to a draw for residents? It’s coming if we don’t do something which is why I think they need to go to a zone model for deer for the residents to spread hunting pressure out and hopefully hold off a draw in the future. All of the extra pressure isn’t coming from nonresidents, it’s coming from new residents and the reality is that we all seem to have more free time now and it is nothing for guys to chase seasons across the state wherever they’re open now, I’ve been guilty myself. I wonder if we had zone tags if some guys might be more successful due to the fact they will learn the area they’re hunting and not spread themselves as thin come season


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I usually hear about any new ideas being discussed before they actually happen. I have heard no talk of a draw for residents, in fact the most recent comments on that subject is that they know residents do not want all deer tags to be by draw, so I'm 99% certain that's not going to happen. I think IDFG really does a great job of listening to resident input.

I have heard there has been discussion of some other type of restrictions on resident deer tags, I wouldn't be surprised to see zones or units for resident deer in the near future. Unit restrictions of nonresident hunters has given IDFG a lot more control over nonres hunter congestion, but I agree, the gorilla in the room is the ever increasing resident hunter numbers.

IDFG has created a new working group to specifically make recommendations on improving the nonres tag sales methods. No doubt there are going to be changes coming!

[huntnnw]

something will and have to change with ID current resident tag system. They are still operating like its 1978 with far less habitat, animals and ton more licensed hunters today

[idahohuntr]

https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-seeking-members-working-group-assess-perspectives-fair-technology-big-game-hunting

Related - IDFG is looking at technology.  They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.

Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever.  It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above.  Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity.  While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns.  I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.

[vandeman17]

Corey Jacobsen on a podcast said that Idaho has an initiative out to change the NR to a draw for all general tags.

[huntnnw]

https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-seeking-members-working-group-assess-perspectives-fair-technology-big-game-hunting

Related - IDFG is looking at technology.  They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.

Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever.  It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above.  Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity.  While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns.  I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.

56% of idfg revenue is from non resident sales. The 12,815 non resident elk tags has been at that quota for at least 30 years . Let’s say they cut that in half. In just 3-5 years that many “ new residents “ would have filled that. The 12k tags is a drop in the bucket compared to the license residents

[idahohuntr]

https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-seeking-members-working-group-assess-perspectives-fair-technology-big-game-hunting

Related - IDFG is looking at technology.  They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.

Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever.  It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above.  Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity.  While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns.  I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.

56% of idfg revenue is from non resident sales. The 12,815 non resident elk tags has been at that quota for at least 30 years . Let’s say they cut that in half. In just 3-5 years that many “ new residents “ would have filled that. The 12k tags is a drop in the bucket compared to the license residents

I don't disagree - but its the politics...there will HAVE to be accompanying NR cuts to take anything from R's.  If there is a single WA license plate observed anywhere in Idaho from Aug-December...the R's will cry foul! 

[bearpaw]

https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/fg-seeking-members-working-group-assess-perspectives-fair-technology-big-game-hunting

Related - IDFG is looking at technology.  They note 3 tools for ensuring over harvest doesn't occur: Equipment restrictions, season timing and length, and number of tags.

Idaho won't be going to draw for Residents general deer/elk any time soon - if ever.  It would never be tolerated - so I think they will tackle harvest and crowding via the tools noted above.  Also note, Idaho, like Montana, often manages for opportunity.  While many of us might prefer more limited tags and more older age class animals - I think Idaho will generally be fine with crowded general units full of people harvesting fork-horns and rag horns.  I also suspect if talk of more restrictions to residents does move forward, you can be assured that whatever NR tags exist now will be cut significantly.

56% of idfg revenue is from non resident sales. The 12,815 non resident elk tags has been at that quota for at least 30 years . Let’s say they cut that in half. In just 3-5 years that many “ new residents “ would have filled that. The 12k tags is a drop in the bucket compared to the license residents

I don't disagree - but its the politics...there will HAVE to be accompanying NR cuts to take anything from R's.  If there is a single WA license plate observed anywhere in Idaho from Aug-December...the R's will cry foul! 

I agree with huntnnw, I'm willing to bet the NR quota isn't cut. Additionally I have not heard of any talk of reducing NR numbers within IDFG. There are certainly resident hunters who would like to shut out NR, thats nothing out of the norm, NR get the blame in every state, but I doubt its going to happen any time soon in Idaho unless it happened legislatively with a big increase in resident fees, and I don't see that happening any time soon either!