1x scopes vs open sights

[duckmen1]

Leupold makes an ultra low ring setup with the quick. Inject bases , i ordered them to get mine to drop lower

I don't see any ultra low, low, mediums listed from leupold site for 34 mm. Lowest they list is high

they’re called super low for a 1” ring

Right they do for 1inch rings. I am needing 34 mm rings. They only make high or extra high for 34mm in that style.

[duckmen1]

My Bighorn has 3 mounting holes for the rear base.  You can slide the rear scope base forward by 1/2" by using the the 2 front mounting screws.  It will overhang the rear part of the exposed breach by about 1/2".   By using those 2 forward mounting holes it give an inside ring spacing of 2 1/8" and the outside ring spacing is 3 1/4".

Thanks for the info. I will order these rings and bases and give it a try. They will be really close to maxing out but I think they will fit. As far as having to get high rings hopefully it won't sit crazy high. But if it is high I will mount a raised cheek weld pad onto the stock. Will update once they come in on if it works and how it does.

[lamrith]

My Bighorn has 3 mounting holes for the rear base.  You can slide the rear scope base forward by 1/2" by using the the 2 front mounting screws.  It will overhang the rear part of the exposed breach by about 1/2".   By using those 2 forward mounting holes it give an inside ring spacing of 2 1/8" and the outside ring spacing is 3 1/4".

Thanks for the info. I will order these rings and bases and give it a try. They will be really close to maxing out but I think they will fit. As far as having to get high rings hopefully it won't sit crazy high. But if it is high I will mount a raised cheek weld pad onto the stock. Will update once they come in on if it works and how it does.

I have a removable one I use on my 308.  Works really well and has a couple diff inserts to dial in height.  Made word of difference in my shooting with the gun.  Will try and find a link and post it.
This is the one I have on my 308.  I noticed they also make a bunch of different ones, some in leather etc to fit your personal preference. I like the nylon and velcro as I as able to cinch it down very very tight, so it not move all over during a day of hiking the hills.  I can feel confident brining the gun up without having to worry about cheek weld being shifted all over.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017K3Z48W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

[Irish_hunter93]

Think I'll be doing lower rings or a riser on the stock. The leupold RDS mount sits to high for my liking. Murphy precision base.

[Irish_hunter93]

I've found some low right on the warne website, for 34mm, but God they are $160....

[PA BEN]

I've had this peep site on my CVA Optima, I picked up a BSA red dot on ebay.
https://eabco.com/peeprib-peep-sights-for-cva-optima-kodiak-wolf-and-accura/

[duckmen1]

My Bighorn has 3 mounting holes for the rear base.  You can slide the rear scope base forward by 1/2" by using the the 2 front mounting screws.  It will overhang the rear part of the exposed breach by about 1/2".   By using those 2 forward mounting holes it give an inside ring spacing of 2 1/8" and the outside ring spacing is 3 1/4".

Thanks for the info. I will order these rings and bases and give it a try. They will be really close to maxing out but I think they will fit. As far as having to get high rings hopefully it won't sit crazy high. But if it is high I will mount a raised cheek weld pad onto the stock. Will update once they come in on if it works and how it does.

I have a removable one I use on my 308.  Works really well and has a couple diff inserts to dial in height.  Made word of difference in my shooting with the gun.  Will try and find a link and post it.
This is the one I have on my 308.  I noticed they also make a bunch of different ones, some in leather etc to fit your personal preference. I like the nylon and velcro as I as able to cinch it down very very tight, so it not move all over during a day of hiking the hills.  I can feel confident brining the gun up without having to worry about cheek weld being shifted all over.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017K3Z48W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

Got the Knight Bighorn combo set up with the removable leupold high rings and bases 541. Just got the setup all mounted. It all fit. But I can say it is maxed out spacing wise for what the scope will accept. But it works and I am happy for sure. It is a little high mounted over barrel but not as much as I expected. So happy about that. I have ordered a cheek riser for little extra comfort fit and that should be here in a couple days. Can’t wait to get it out and shoot it and see how much difference it makes. I will set up a protective guard under scope to protect the scope from the open breech.  Have some other thoughts for the gun to but just little mods along the way. Should be smooth sailing getting ready for hunting season now. Appreciate the info from all that have contributed in questions and ideas toward the subject for what seems so foreign to us with these 1x scopes on muzzleloaders.

[lazydrifter]

Perfect.  Post a picture.  I see that Sportsman warehouse has the Leupold RDS red dots on sale.

https://www.sportsmans.com/hunting-gear-supplies/optics-binoculars-scopes-rangefinders/red-dots/leupold-freedom-rds-1x34mm-1-moa-red-dot-black/p/1644552

https://www.sportsmans.com/hunting-gear-supplies/optics-binoculars-scopes-rangefinders/red-dots/leupold-freedom-rds-1x34mm-233-bdc-with-mount-1-moa-red-dot-black/p/1644554

[BULLBLASTER]

I bought a trijicon RMR 1moa dot and have been using it on my 22 to learn it before putting it on my muzzle loader. After sending a few hundred 22 rounds with it i can certainly say that it will increase my effective range with my muzzle loader.

After looking at all the red dots i could find, the RMR as top pf the heap IMO.

[Goshawk]

With the proposal for 1x scopes looking like more of a possibility this year, I'm curious if anyone has experience using them. Do you see a benefit of 1x scope over open sights like a Williams Peep sights.

More accurate, especially in low light, fog, rain, etc.

[howlow]

Local sportsman said alot of people buying red dots and a removable magnifier for there muzzle loaders. 

[duckmen1]

Perfect.  Post a picture.  I see that Sportsman warehouse has the Leupold RDS red dots on sale.

https://www.sportsmans.com/hunting-gear-supplies/optics-binoculars-scopes-rangefinders/red-dots/leupold-freedom-rds-1x34mm-1-moa-red-dot-black/p/1644552

https://www.sportsmans.com/hunting-gear-supplies/optics-binoculars-scopes-rangefinders/red-dots/leupold-freedom-rds-1x34mm-233-bdc-with-mount-1-moa-red-dot-black/p/1644554

First range day. Loved running the red dot. Averaged 2 to 3 inch groups with 5 three shot groups at 100 yards. Still have to spend time  behind the gun to get more familiar with  if the adjustments are as accurate as they are supposed to be. Few adjustments were not seeming to be but future days will tell. Overall love the setup with the cheek riser. Only concern is accuracy of adjustments. But when not running adjustments accuracy was good and consistant groups. Very clear sight picture.

[Antlershed]

Perfect.  Post a picture.  I see that Sportsman warehouse has the Leupold RDS red dots on sale.

https://www.sportsmans.com/hunting-gear-supplies/optics-binoculars-scopes-rangefinders/red-dots/leupold-freedom-rds-1x34mm-1-moa-red-dot-black/p/1644552

https://www.sportsmans.com/hunting-gear-supplies/optics-binoculars-scopes-rangefinders/red-dots/leupold-freedom-rds-1x34mm-233-bdc-with-mount-1-moa-red-dot-black/p/1644554

First range day. Loved running the red dot. Averaged 2 to 3 inch groups with 5 three shot groups at 100 yards. Still have to spend time  behind the gun to get more familiar with  if the adjustments are as accurate as they are supposed to be. Few adjustments were not seeming to be but future days will tell. Overall love the setup with the cheek riser. Only concern is accuracy of adjustments. But when not running adjustments accuracy was good and consistant groups. Very clear sight picture.

Curious what you mean by accuracy of adjustments? Were you using the turret to dial for longer ranges, or just adjusting for your 100 yard sight-in?

[duckmen1]

Perfect.  Post a picture.  I see that Sportsman warehouse has the Leupold RDS red dots on sale.

https://www.sportsmans.com/hunting-gear-supplies/optics-binoculars-scopes-rangefinders/red-dots/leupold-freedom-rds-1x34mm-1-moa-red-dot-black/p/1644552

https://www.sportsmans.com/hunting-gear-supplies/optics-binoculars-scopes-rangefinders/red-dots/leupold-freedom-rds-1x34mm-233-bdc-with-mount-1-moa-red-dot-black/p/1644554

First range day. Loved running the red dot. Averaged 2 to 3 inch groups with 5 three shot groups at 100 yards. Still have to spend time  behind the gun to get more familiar with  if the adjustments are as accurate as they are supposed to be. Few adjustments were not seeming to be but future days will tell. Overall love the setup with the cheek riser. Only concern is accuracy of adjustments. But when not running adjustments accuracy was good and consistant groups. Very clear sight picture.

Curious what you mean by accuracy of adjustments? Were you using the turret to dial for longer ranges, or just adjusting for your 100 yard sight-in?

Adjustments during 100 yard sight in. First group was around 2 3/4 inch. Lowered 4 moa and went left 2 moa on adjustment. Should have been in bullseye. Shot another group at 1 3/4 inch. It had actually lowered 8 moa and not moved at all left. Continued a number of groups and kept either seeing 1/2 moa adjustment not 1/4 inch adjustments per scope. Or no change at all with left and right adjustments. Groups were good. Maybe it was me a little on left and right as we are still only looking through one power on a red dot. Idk. But overall sight picture appeared very well. More range time will tell. In general I never had any flyers. And held groups well. Can’t wait to get back out and spend more time with it. And give better follow up.

[James]

Local sportsman said alot of people buying red dots and a removable magnifier for there muzzle loaders.

This is my plan, use the removable magnifier to assist sight in at the range, pull it off to go hunting.