Eight States Plan to Ban the Sale of Gas-Powered Vehicles as Joe Biden Issues Ne

[Special T]

Of course all the states including ours on the left coast are adopting this, however it is new car sales. Yesterday I was listening to the Shawn Ryan show and his guest Randall Carlson talked about combustion engine conversions to plasma fueled which after warmed up emitted zero polutants. I belive Randal is from the Basin area, has been on the joe Rogan podcast and such.

20+ years ago I meet a guy that did some kind of plasma fule conversion and got 50mpg in his Viper. I thought it was some kind of scam, but perhaps it's real and the tech is being mainstream Ed now because of this EV push.

My understanding of the plasma conversion in cars is that it is a different ignition system but still uses convential fuel. It may be cleaner but still produces CO2. Is this something different?

According to Randall it produces no co2 and he talks about a guy breathing the exhaust. It mostly peaked my interest from my past run in and supposedly he couldn't get the conversions accepted by a motor company and sold his pattent to some one for several million bucks and it got shelved. Times may have changed enough that it may make an reappearance.

[Scruffy]

One only has to follow the money.  It's Bidens plan to go to EV's, who is Biden friends with, China. Who produces the batteries, China.  Who is on Bidens shirt tails, all the lefty states.  The whole idea is not planned out.  Look how long it will take to travel long distance and like everyone mentioned where is the power coming from?  They can easily shut down travel by have brown outs.  This is also carrying over to trucks so shipping will slow down for these trucks to charge and the cost of shipping will go up.  The only way out of this is to get a republican in office to stop this nonsense until an actual plan can be put in place.

[Special T]

One only has to follow the money.  It's Bidens plan to go to EV's, who is Biden friends with, China. Who produces the batteries, China.  Who is on Bidens shirt tails, all the lefty states.  The whole idea is not planned out.  Look how long it will take to travel long distance and like everyone mentioned where is the power coming from?  They can easily shut down travel by have brown outs.  This is also carrying over to trucks so shipping will slow down for these trucks to charge and the cost of shipping will go up.  The only way out of this is to get a republican in office to stop this nonsense until an actual plan can be put in place.

So unrealized this is a big leap of faith but here it goes. Oil and car companies have a huge incentive not to change things dramatically overnight. They have to many sunk costs to do so willingly. 20+years ago this was certainly the case for both industries. ASSUME that plasma fuel is 100% real. That reasonable modifications can be made to cars, and that they cannot really be profitable today with electric cars(big 3). Oil companies would be harmed by huge increases in efficiency in the past, but with all the turmoil would us companies be as stressed today?  20 years in a product lifecycle is a long time. Perhaps plasma fueled cars can save these legacy companies so between unrealistic mandates and such the technological shift doesn't have as many down sides. Perhaps if the USA is the main stable oil producer and the rest of the world is a flame they can see some advantage in allowing this to happen now instead of 20 years ago. 

[Scruffy]

I haven't heard of plasma fuels until now and still know nothing about it.  I did hear hydrogen is a more likely alternative than an EV.  So I think either fuel is along the same lines of your thinking.  At tis point anything is better than electric.

[freshgrease]

I love these news pieces for a good laugh. The bias on each side and little jabs taken

most radical environmental rules in American history to phase out gasoline-powered vehicles and force customers to drive ineffective electric cars

With the Biden regime receiving help from several compliant states, the gas car may soon become a historical footnote unless President Trump wins this year. He is the last hope to begin reversing this environmental insanity and perhaps save America altogether.

Maybe if everyone is forced to switch and use these ineffective cars then given some time all the road hunters will be gone lol 

Got to focus on the positives somehow when these inevitable changes are coming our way

[idaho guy]

Reading through this post reminds me of reading some of the historical comments when people said the automobile would one day replace the horse. Not sure you can set a hard time frame and not sure it will be evs, but the days of fossil fueled vehicles being the norm are limited.

 


where is all the electricity going to come from? I think hybrids are the only intermediate step that can actually be done. If EV is really the final or best solution. Right now the lithium mines are enviromental disasters. look up some of the mines in Chile and other countrys. lots of deisel power being used at the mines as well. I am not sure we are reducing anyones carbon footprint mining all this lithium.Besides that we DONT have the power or electrical grid to convert to ev.

[Humptulips]

Here's an article I read on the plasma tech. It still uses gas, still produces CO2, just is more efficient so uses less gas and produces less CO2. Sounds like it has potential.
https://www.wired.com/story/is-lightning-fast-plasma-the-key-to-a-cleaner-car-engine/

[AK2WA]

So I followed the links they posted in the article, the sources leave a lot to be desired. This link quotes another article that quotes another article that has what was said by the CA Gov and a few states, but just says that several coastal states are planning on following suit, with zero citation to back it up. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be surprised if WA followed with the losers in power here, but the article authors never actually say where they got their information from for WA and several other states....

[Stein]

Reading through this post reminds me of reading some of the historical comments when people said the automobile would one day replace the horse. Not sure you can set a hard time frame and not sure it will be evs, but the days of fossil fueled vehicles being the norm are limited.

 


where is all the electricity going to come from? I think hybrids are the only intermediate step that can actually be done. If EV is really the final or best solution. Right now the lithium mines are enviromental disasters. look up some of the mines in Chile and other countrys. lots of deisel power being used at the mines as well. I am not sure we are reducing anyones carbon footprint mining all this lithium.Besides that we DONT have the power or electrical grid to convert to ev.

Electricity is easy to make.  Renewable or not, big or small, it's like saying we can't build roads because where are we going to get all the materials from?

The current renewable backlog is something like 2,600 GW of proposed projects, about twice the current capacity.  It's all there just waiting for someone to create demand and sign off on the permits.

EVs are a utility's dream, large load that is easily controllable and typically charged at night during the lowest energy demand.

Norway already has >50% of new vehicles electric, I wonder what magical grid they have the rest of the world doesn't?

That said, I'm not much of a fan of mandates.  It's past the tipping point already, just let capitalism take it's course.  There is plenty of demand for vehicles made in the US using US energy.

[Stein]

Besides the environmental disaster EVs and their lithium batteries will be if they go through with this your electric bill will be outrageous due to the demand on the grid if can even handle it before there is rolling black outs or a 70s style rationing of electricity to charge a vehicle like they did with gas. When the government picks the winner everyone loses. The free market or what we have left of one will decide what people want it clearly isn’t EVs.

The most I have put in our Tesla in a 24 hour period charging at home is $4.  Our utility loves EVs, they soak up all that extra capacity at night that is just sitting there unused.  They love them so much they bought me a home charger so I could buy more of their electricity.

The #1 selling vehicle globally is the Tesla Model Y, #5 in the US and moving up.  If you put trucks in their own category, it's basically tied for #1 with the Rav 4.  I do agree with you that the market will decide long before legislators get around to doing anything stupid.

[hughjorgan]

Reading through this post reminds me of reading some of the historical comments when people said the automobile would one day replace the horse. Not sure you can set a hard time frame and not sure it will be evs, but the days of fossil fueled vehicles being the norm are limited.

 


where is all the electricity going to come from? I think hybrids are the only intermediate step that can actually be done. If EV is really the final or best solution. Right now the lithium mines are enviromental disasters. look up some of the mines in Chile and other countrys. lots of deisel power being used at the mines as well. I am not sure we are reducing anyones carbon footprint mining all this lithium.Besides that we DONT have the power or electrical grid to convert to ev.

Electricity is easy to make.  Renewable or not, big or small, it's like saying we can't build roads because where are we going to get all the materials from?

The current renewable backlog is something like 2,600 GW of proposed projects, about twice the current capacity.  It's all there just waiting for someone to create demand and sign off on the permits.

EVs are a utility's dream, large load that is easily controllable and typically charged at night during the lowest energy demand.

Norway already has >50% of new vehicles electric, I wonder what magical grid they have the rest of the world doesn't?

That said, I'm not much of a fan of mandates.  It's past the tipping point already, just let capitalism take it's course.  There is plenty of demand for vehicles made in the US using US energy.

The left wants to utilize power but they don’t want to use hydro power, nuclear or natural gas to generate it. They are actively working to take down dams and I bet they’ll use salmon to push that agenda. We’ve already seen them ban natural gas in Washington even though we buy power that uses natural gas to generate it.

Also what about charging stations? Who’s going to invest in that? The federal government? Have you seen the news report that the Biden administration spent billions to only see a few built? How long did it take rural America to get electricity; and some how in 10 years we’re supposed to have the infrastructure in place for an EV only society. That is a pipe dream.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/democrat-calls-only-7-ev-charging-stations-deployed-under-us-program-pathetic/ar-BB1nHoh7?ocid=BingNewsSerp

How much more do EVs weigh and how much more wear and tear are they going to put on our road infrastructure. We currently have a gas tax to help off set that each time we fuel up.

EVs also don’t work well in the cold. Do you recall this past winter when people just abandoned them?

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/electric-vehicle-owners-face-huge-challenges-amid-chicago-cold-snap/3328085/

And your 4 dollars to charge is nice but as demand increases so will the price of electricity followed by the politicians taxing it more. We also haven’t addressed the inconvenience charging is. Take your Tesla from Arlington to Spokane. How much longer is your trip going to take vs me driving a combustion engine vehicle? You’d definitely have to take I90 because your not going to have many options if you chose a rural route.

[Stein]

A trip from Arlington to Spokane in my car would require a 12 minute stop in Moses Lake at the Tesla charging station.  Or, I could go Highway 9 and stop for the same time, there are a couple of stops I could chose from.  I'm not sure about backroads, never drove to Spokane on surface streets.

I used to fill up with gas twice a month, so 24 times a year (not including road trips).  Now, I never have to stop at a station to charge except for road trips.  If I spent 15 minutes 24 times a month, that's 360 minutes a year I'm saving - actually more than that due to having to wait in line often at Costco or on the res.  If I have to stop for 12 minutes once or twice a year during a road trip, I'm still way better off.  It's something I didn't realize until I bought an EV, the big inconvenience is having to wait in line for gas every payday and search around to get the best prices and have the right app or whatever you need to get the discount.

Electricity is a regulated utility, they can't simply jack rates up, it is the cost of production plus a small markup for the utility.  The cost of production has actually been decreasing due to better technology and competition.  Our electric rates went down this year.

This is in stark contrast to gas which is priced at whatever our friends in Iran, Saudi and Russia think we should pay.

Regarding charging stations, Tesla already built 2,200 in the US and there are about 50,000 other private stations.  I would hope Uncle Sam stays out of that, the ones they funded have been a disaster for sure.  It's the great thing about capitalism, if there is a customer wanting to buy something, somebody will figure out a way to sell it to them.  It's a pretty good markup, about 35 cents retail vs maybe 7 wholesale and you have zero employees or buildings to worry about.

The things I was worried about with an EV are actually non-issues while other things were a surprise, it's been an interesting experience very different from what I expected.  Something like 93% of first time EV owners are happy with their decision and 76% say they won't buy a gas car.  We have a gas truck and the electric car and I can say I wouldn't consider a gas car and by the time my gas truck is ready for replacement I would be extremely surprised if I bought another gas one, but we'll see if someone makes a reasonable electric truck by then.  Today, an electric car and gas truck couldn't be a better combo for our family.

[pianoman9701]

We’ll see hydrogen and possibly ammonia powered vehicles before, and if, EV’s become the law of the land

By 2035? That's when King Inslee has set for no more sales of gasoline and diesel new car sales.

[deerlick]

i cant wait til all these tesla's start having intermittent electrical problems and people try and fix them. already hard enough for people to figure out simple issues on gas powered cars. pretty cool 80k throw away cars, enjoy.

[Dan-o]

i cant wait til all these tesla's start having intermittent electrical problems and people try and fix them. already hard enough for people to figure out simple issues on gas powered cars. pretty cool 80k throw away cars, enjoy.

What is more complex about an electric motor, compared to an internal combustion engine?

And what data do have that supports the claim that EV's are throwaway cars?