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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2024, 09:14:12 AM »
Corner crossings not in the Second Amendment though? 🤔  Keep waiting,  just stare at the screen all day Taco. Don't forget to refresh the page though. I never said take away all public access rights either or even brought up gun ownership.

I see, you just like to toss out statements about people that aren't correct, then run away. Your typical MO.

I never run away, it may not have been you who said it. It may have been Platnsek-po.  I'll find it later. I work on my own schedule.

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2024, 09:25:07 AM »
Corner crossings not in the Second Amendment though? 🤔  Keep waiting,  just stare at the screen all day Taco. Don't forget to refresh the page though. I never said take away all public access rights either or even brought up gun ownership.

But a judge ruled on what the 2nd amendment means just like with corner crossing. Your affiliation with criminal elements and their definitions of things donít apply here. Corner crossing has a definition in this case and was ruled as a legal form of access to public land. Regardless of your feelings on it. I provided it to you and you started talking about your dealings with pimps and biker gangs  :dunno:

I never said I was affiliated with any biker gangs or pimps. I said I was hauling ammo cans. I just said that's what's in that neighborhood. The judge ruled that it was OK to cross the private land in corners to access public land and I believe that is a violation of property rights. I don't care what that judge says. Your argument about judges rulings can apply to a thousand other issues as well. Do you agree with all of them? No. The judge also ruled that it may still be a trespass but that Wyoming fish and game cannot enforce it. They have to call the local sheriff. So that's where it goes down the toilet. People are going to abuse it because the sheriff will not show up in time and it won't matter enough because the landowner cannot show "damages"  :dunno:

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2024, 09:38:54 AM »
Corner crossings not in the Second Amendment though? 🤔  Keep waiting,  just stare at the screen all day Taco. Don't forget to refresh the page though. I never said take away all public access rights either or even brought up gun ownership.

But a judge ruled on what the 2nd amendment means just like with corner crossing. Your affiliation with criminal elements and their definitions of things donít apply here. Corner crossing has a definition in this case and was ruled as a legal form of access to public land. Regardless of your feelings on it. I provided it to you and you started talking about your dealings with pimps and biker gangs  :dunno:

I never said I was affiliated with any biker gangs or pimps. I said I was hauling ammo cans. I just said that's what's in that neighborhood. The judge ruled that it was OK to cross the private land in corners to access public land and I believe that is a violation of property rights. I don't care what that judge says. Your argument about judges rulings can apply to a thousand other issues as well. Do you agree with all of them? No. The judge also ruled that it may still be a trespass but that Wyoming fish and game cannot enforce it. They have to call the local sheriff. So that's where it goes down the toilet. People are going to abuse it because the sheriff will not show up in time and it won't matter enough because the landowner cannot show "damages"  :dunno:

Please show where the judge said it may still be trespassing but that they should call the sheriff? You do realize that the sheriff actually did show up in this case? Whether or not I agree with them doesnít make them a legal ruling. You said itís about our feelings. Itís not. Itís a legal ruling on a legal matter. You also said you got the definitions of corner crossing from a pimp. Meaning you spent time talking with someone who trafficked people. You should read on what the ruling actually was not what you learned on the street corner. It was ruled that the hunters when crossing from public land to public land without touching private property did not trespass. Doesnít matter how you feel about it. You keep moving the goal posts and trying to attack people but canít seem to separate what corner crossing is from trespassing.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2024, 09:41:24 AM »
Corner crossings not in the Second Amendment though? 🤔  Keep waiting,  just stare at the screen all day Taco. Don't forget to refresh the page though. I never said take away all public access rights either or even brought up gun ownership.

I see, you just like to toss out statements about people that aren't correct, then run away. Your typical MO.

I never run away, it may not have been you who said it. It may have been Platnsek-po.  I'll find it later. I work on my own schedule.

I can guarantee you I have never stated that people who go into the backcountry donít litter. Lolololol. Literally just got back from a backcountry rafting trip where every campsite had white flowers. There will always be people who abuse anything. Your issue is with enforcement.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2024, 09:41:57 AM »
It wasn't either one of you who brought up the trash left behind. Here's a piece of candy. 🍬

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2024, 09:48:00 AM »
It was an opinion piece from the AG in Wyoming back in 2004 from the first corner crossing case. That's what created the issue of having to call the sheriff. That's why the sheriff had to be called in for this case. That's why it was hard to enforce the trespassing issue. That's why people will push the boundary.

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2024, 09:53:09 AM »
It was an opinion piece from the AG in Wyoming back in 2004 from the first corner crossing case. That's what created the issue of having to call the sheriff. That's why the sheriff had to be called in for this case. That's why it was hard to enforce the trespassing issue. That's why people will push the boundary.

Thatís your feelings on it. Pushing the boundary has nothing to do with this. Again your issue is with the enforcement of laws already in place and has nothing to do with corner crossing.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2024, 10:31:18 AM »
It wasn't either one of you who brought up the trash left behind. Here's a piece of candy. 🍬

That's not the first time, probably won't be the last.

Anyway, the ruling doesn't affect my "feelings" (not to be confused with belief) either way. The public land I hunt doesn't have private anywhere near it. No skin in the game. But don't believe private ownership trumps public. Don't step on private, don't trespass, have at the public  :tup:

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2024, 11:03:25 AM »
AG opinion from 2004

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2024, 11:06:02 AM »
AG opinion from 2004
Cool. Now share where the judge said itís probably trespassing and needs to be dealt with by the sheriff.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2024, 11:16:53 AM »
AG opinion from 2004
Cool. Now share where the judge said itís probably trespassing and needs to be dealt with by the sheriff.
The attorney general says in their opinion it may be something that needs to be referred to the sheriff or AGís office.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2024, 11:25:16 AM »
Given the current environment in many places - Seattle, Portland, San Fran, LA, NYC.... I don't think we can refer to much an AG says given the amazingly large leeway they have towards what is a (prosecutable) crime and what isn't. AGs are more politician than law enforcement.

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2024, 11:27:02 AM »
AG opinion from 2004
Cool. Now share where the judge said itís probably trespassing and needs to be dealt with by the sheriff.
The attorney general says in their opinion it may be something that needs to be referred to the sheriff or AGís office.

Thatís very different from saying that the judge who made the ruling stated that. I understand that 20yrs ago the ag stated the sheriff should be involved. In this case they were called out multiple times. Dennis said the judge said it could still be trespassing. Putting a 20yr old opinion piece that was done before this ruling means absolutely nothing. It is has no been ruled as a legal method of access to public land and found not be trespassing by jury. Now we have to wait to see what the next level of judgement finds. Itís true it could still be overturned but hopefully not.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2024, 11:58:20 AM »
Corner crossing perpetuates bad behavior in some people. That's it. Some will do it right, some won't. It doesn't matter if a few dozen people decided it's not illegal. It will just create more issues with landowners and hunters. I don't care what your opinion is anymore. I know it to be true. There is a direct correlation to people believing they are allowed to access public land no matter what, such as corner crossing and trespassing and property damage. Your opinion is nonsense.  :hello:

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2024, 12:44:02 PM »
Corner crossing perpetuates bad behavior in some people. That's it. Some will do it right, some won't. It doesn't matter if a few dozen people decided it's not illegal. It will just create more issues with landowners and hunters. I don't care what your opinion is anymore. I know it to be true. There is a direct correlation to people believing they are allowed to access public land no matter what, such as corner crossing and trespassing and property damage. Your opinion is nonsense.  :hello:

lol. Only a sith deals in absolutes. Nobody is saying that there should be access to public land no matter what. You sound like a liberal talking about guns. ďThere is a direct correlation to people believing they have a right to own guns and gun violence, crime and theft.Ē Itís a silly argument and one that holds no water thankfully. Itís not my opinion but that of a judge and jury. Too bad for you but great for the public.
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