Problem Bull. Problem Bull?

[Roslyn Rambler]

Good video. What's your opinion

[dvolmer]

I watched the episode. Looked good to me. I like Wyomings answers to problems like this over the way Washington handles it. In Washington you would never even hear about the problem publicly. They would just give the complaining land owner some permits that he could use or give out to his buddies/family/or sell. This in my opinion has a lot of options for miss-use and funny-business. In Wyoming if there is a problem it is solved by the public through a draw system. The area of the hunt was extremely small to make sure the elk of concern were being the ones hunted.

I have a friend that owns an orchard outside of Walla Walla.  The deer come and eat in his orchard and cause some minor damage to his trees. he can get damage tags for doe and buck on a very regular basis and he can shoot them, his family can shoot them, and anyone else he decides to let in. In my opinion these hunts should be done in some kind of orderly fashion and people of the state should be allowed through a draw of some sort. Maybe youth or seniors.  If the landowners that want the damage controlled don't allow a public option of some sort to solve the problem, then in my opinion they shouldn't get the tags and or any damage control money.

The average elk hunter for example in the state of Washington probably kills an elk (cow or Bull) every 10-15 years is my guess. They are very few and far between. Yes there are guys that do way better than that but there are others that do even worse. To see a landowner and his family harvesting multiple elk a year off of damage control tags is wrong in my opinion.  There should be some system in place to offer these animals that are owned by the state to be hunted by the public hunter in some sort of controlled fashion that would not be to hard to put in place. some kind of damage control lists or draws that could be coordinated by the landowner and the Dept of Fish and Game.  I think the average public hunter in the state of Washington would be shocked at how many deer and elk are killed each year by landowners and their buddies through damage control tags. Just my thoughts for whatever they are worth.

[ghosthunter]

I don’t see a thing wrong with that. Much like a Master Hunter Damage hunt in WA.


However the feed station thing got me thinking. If they could come up with some kind of treatment for CWD that was a liquid. You might be able to construct a foot bath around the feed that animals had to walk through. It would have to be something ok to drink because they would probably try to drink it.

And some treatment for the feed lot ground too.

 

Wishful thinking.

[teanawayslayer]

Land owners in general are not going to want strangers on there property. So they give tags to friends, family, and most of the time youth hunters.  Most of the landowners I know won’t let most master hunters on there places. In my opinion it is being handled as it should in our state.

[buglebuster]

Land owners in general are not going to want strangers on there property. So they give tags to friends, family, and most of the time youth hunters.  Most of the landowners I know won’t let most master hunters on there places. In my opinion it is being handled as it should in our state.

I agree. They don’t want just some random person that could have drew a tag that turns out to be an unsafe, unethical *censored* lobbing bullets around. Sometimes it takes years to gain the trust of these landowners to be allowed the opportunity to be involved with the damage tags. It is handle correctly I think.

[idahohuntr]

I watched the episode. Looked good to me. I like Wyomings answers to problems like this over the way Washington handles it. In Washington you would never even hear about the problem publicly. They would just give the complaining land owner some permits that he could use or give out to his buddies/family/or sell. This in my opinion has a lot of options for miss-use and funny-business. In Wyoming if there is a problem it is solved by the public through a draw system. The area of the hunt was extremely small to make sure the elk of concern were being the ones hunted.

I have a friend that owns an orchard outside of Walla Walla.  The deer come and eat in his orchard and cause some minor damage to his trees. he can get damage tags for doe and buck on a very regular basis and he can shoot them, his family can shoot them, and anyone else he decides to let in. In my opinion these hunts should be done in some kind of orderly fashion and people of the state should be allowed through a draw of some sort. Maybe youth or seniors.  If the landowners that want the damage controlled don't allow a public option of some sort to solve the problem, then in my opinion they shouldn't get the tags and or any damage control money.

The average elk hunter for example in the state of Washington probably kills an elk (cow or Bull) every 10-15 years is my guess. They are very few and far between. Yes there are guys that do way better than that but there are others that do even worse. To see a landowner and his family harvesting multiple elk a year off of damage control tags is wrong in my opinion.  There should be some system in place to offer these animals that are owned by the state to be hunted by the public hunter in some sort of controlled fashion that would not be to hard to put in place. some kind of damage control lists or draws that could be coordinated by the landowner and the Dept of Fish and Game.  I think the average public hunter in the state of Washington would be shocked at how many deer and elk are killed each year by landowners and their buddies through damage control tags. Just my thoughts for whatever they are worth.

I agree with you 1000%.  The public's wildlife should not be privatized so easily.

[NOCK NOCK]

I see good points on both sides of this issue. 

In my home area, orchardists who dont want critters eating their trees put up fencing. If a landowner does not take some steps to protect their property/crops, they should not be allowed year after year to kill multiple critters with damage permits. Every so often sure.

[teanawayslayer]

A lot of the times the farmers hand out tags to people they know will come out and kill the animals. Why give a tag to a guy say on the westside that might make it over or might not. Kill the elk why the elk are there. Not so easy if you can come here and there. When tags are filled they issue more.

[huntnnw]

And this particular hunt there was a lot of public land in the tiny area you could hunt. I’ve already looked at unit.

[metlhead]

I fill mine myself or let the neighbor kids do it. These are deer though and there would really be no chance they'd be hunted elsewhere.

[CackleBird98]

I watched the episode. Looked good to me. I like Wyomings answers to problems like this over the way Washington handles it. In Washington you would never even hear about the problem publicly. They would just give the complaining land owner some permits that he could use or give out to his buddies/family/or sell. This in my opinion has a lot of options for miss-use and funny-business. In Wyoming if there is a problem it is solved by the public through a draw system. The area of the hunt was extremely small to make sure the elk of concern were being the ones hunted.

I have a friend that owns an orchard outside of Walla Walla.  The deer come and eat in his orchard and cause some minor damage to his trees. he can get damage tags for doe and buck on a very regular basis and he can shoot them, his family can shoot them, and anyone else he decides to let in. In my opinion these hunts should be done in some kind of orderly fashion and people of the state should be allowed through a draw of some sort. Maybe youth or seniors.  If the landowners that want the damage controlled don't allow a public option of some sort to solve the problem, then in my opinion they shouldn't get the tags and or any damage control money.

The average elk hunter for example in the state of Washington probably kills an elk (cow or Bull) every 10-15 years is my guess. They are very few and far between. Yes there are guys that do way better than that but there are others that do even worse. To see a landowner and his family harvesting multiple elk a year off of damage control tags is wrong in my opinion.  There should be some system in place to offer these animals that are owned by the state to be hunted by the public hunter in some sort of controlled fashion that would not be to hard to put in place. some kind of damage control lists or draws that could be coordinated by the landowner and the Dept of Fish and Game.  I think the average public hunter in the state of Washington would be shocked at how many deer and elk are killed each year by landowners and their buddies through damage control tags. Just my thoughts for whatever they are worth.

I kinda agree with you here, between me an my 1 buddy we have killed i think at least a dozen deer in the last 2 years just from 1 landowner.  I mean he gives us the tags cause he knows we will kill them, and we have given a couple tags to kids an new hunters when we could, but it's a huge excess of tags compared to the average Joe blow who maybe kills his buck every 2 or 3 years

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

I never realized feed stations were controversial till I watched it.  Seems like it would be a fun hunt, unfortunately he gave out way to much info in the video and comments, so there will be a lot more people interested in it now.   

[92xj]

I think the bigger question this video brings to light is CWD. 

Is it a disease that will take out whole herds simply because of baiting? 
Is this a disease that kills quickly and going to do more harm than "normal nature"?
Is this a scam agenda driven disease?

[trophyhunt]

No right answer is what I see, but I am curious how he kept his toes from frost bite???   Any ideas what foot wear is best in those conditions?

[OutHouse]

I watched the episode. Looked good to me. I like Wyomings answers to problems like this over the way Washington handles it. In Washington you would never even hear about the problem publicly. They would just give the complaining land owner some permits that he could use or give out to his buddies/family/or sell. This in my opinion has a lot of options for miss-use and funny-business. In Wyoming if there is a problem it is solved by the public through a draw system. The area of the hunt was extremely small to make sure the elk of concern were being the ones hunted.

I have a friend that owns an orchard outside of Walla Walla.  The deer come and eat in his orchard and cause some minor damage to his trees. he can get damage tags for doe and buck on a very regular basis and he can shoot them, his family can shoot them, and anyone else he decides to let in. In my opinion these hunts should be done in some kind of orderly fashion and people of the state should be allowed through a draw of some sort. Maybe youth or seniors.  If the landowners that want the damage controlled don't allow a public option of some sort to solve the problem, then in my opinion they shouldn't get the tags and or any damage control money.

The average elk hunter for example in the state of Washington probably kills an elk (cow or Bull) every 10-15 years is my guess. They are very few and far between. Yes there are guys that do way better than that but there are others that do even worse. To see a landowner and his family harvesting multiple elk a year off of damage control tags is wrong in my opinion.  There should be some system in place to offer these animals that are owned by the state to be hunted by the public hunter in some sort of controlled fashion that would not be to hard to put in place. some kind of damage control lists or draws that could be coordinated by the landowner and the Dept of Fish and Game.  I think the average public hunter in the state of Washington would be shocked at how many deer and elk are killed each year by landowners and their buddies through damage control tags. Just my thoughts for whatever they are worth.

I agree. Almost every landowner I've met that gets these tags and spoke with me about how they use them led me to conclude its an abuse. Bragging about it and how easy it was to get the tags and more tags from the department etc. in the express context of them not really needing them or having alternative means to prevent the problem. You know its BS when they get a sheepish grin and lower the volume of their voice. Just my experience, though.