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Quote from: bigtex on March 16, 2011, 09:16:52 PMQuote from: sakoshooter on March 16, 2011, 09:11:04 PMQuote from: bigtex on March 16, 2011, 06:22:31 PMQuote from: sakoshooter on March 15, 2011, 11:16:33 PMFishncliff and I both talked and agreed with you folks' help on how to word our request for a rule definition change. It's as simple as that. " to exclude cleaned or processed and frozen birds."WDFW or USFWS will never allow the definition to have the "cleaned" word in it. Why? Because it takes minutes to clean a bird. Many times when officers contact "two-timers" (basically hunt the morning and evening) the morning's birds are already cleaned.It doesn't just say "cleaned". It says "cleaned or processed and frozen"The 'or' and the 'and' are important and so is they're placement in the definition.Ya, exactly! They can either be cleaned, which takes a couple minutes work which WDFW/USFWS will never let happen OR processed and frozen which takes a while longer. You will have a lot less resistance with your proposal if you take out the cleaned part and just say "processed and frozen"'Processed' has too many implications by it'self. Cleaned needs to be part of the verbage in order to cover birds that have simply been 'cleaned' and frozen. 'Processed' covers the same birds if they've been de-boned or turned into sausage etc.
Quote from: sakoshooter on March 16, 2011, 09:11:04 PMQuote from: bigtex on March 16, 2011, 06:22:31 PMQuote from: sakoshooter on March 15, 2011, 11:16:33 PMFishncliff and I both talked and agreed with you folks' help on how to word our request for a rule definition change. It's as simple as that. " to exclude cleaned or processed and frozen birds."WDFW or USFWS will never allow the definition to have the "cleaned" word in it. Why? Because it takes minutes to clean a bird. Many times when officers contact "two-timers" (basically hunt the morning and evening) the morning's birds are already cleaned.It doesn't just say "cleaned". It says "cleaned or processed and frozen"The 'or' and the 'and' are important and so is they're placement in the definition.Ya, exactly! They can either be cleaned, which takes a couple minutes work which WDFW/USFWS will never let happen OR processed and frozen which takes a while longer. You will have a lot less resistance with your proposal if you take out the cleaned part and just say "processed and frozen"
Quote from: bigtex on March 16, 2011, 06:22:31 PMQuote from: sakoshooter on March 15, 2011, 11:16:33 PMFishncliff and I both talked and agreed with you folks' help on how to word our request for a rule definition change. It's as simple as that. " to exclude cleaned or processed and frozen birds."WDFW or USFWS will never allow the definition to have the "cleaned" word in it. Why? Because it takes minutes to clean a bird. Many times when officers contact "two-timers" (basically hunt the morning and evening) the morning's birds are already cleaned.It doesn't just say "cleaned". It says "cleaned or processed and frozen"The 'or' and the 'and' are important and so is they're placement in the definition.
Quote from: sakoshooter on March 15, 2011, 11:16:33 PMFishncliff and I both talked and agreed with you folks' help on how to word our request for a rule definition change. It's as simple as that. " to exclude cleaned or processed and frozen birds."WDFW or USFWS will never allow the definition to have the "cleaned" word in it. Why? Because it takes minutes to clean a bird. Many times when officers contact "two-timers" (basically hunt the morning and evening) the morning's birds are already cleaned.
Fishncliff and I both talked and agreed with you folks' help on how to word our request for a rule definition change. It's as simple as that. " to exclude cleaned or processed and frozen birds."
Quote from: sakoshooter on March 17, 2011, 12:55:43 AMQuote from: bigtex on March 16, 2011, 09:16:52 PMQuote from: sakoshooter on March 16, 2011, 09:11:04 PMQuote from: bigtex on March 16, 2011, 06:22:31 PMQuote from: sakoshooter on March 15, 2011, 11:16:33 PMFishncliff and I both talked and agreed with you folks' help on how to word our request for a rule definition change. It's as simple as that. " to exclude cleaned or processed and frozen birds."WDFW or USFWS will never allow the definition to have the "cleaned" word in it. Why? Because it takes minutes to clean a bird. Many times when officers contact "two-timers" (basically hunt the morning and evening) the morning's birds are already cleaned.It doesn't just say "cleaned". It says "cleaned or processed and frozen"The 'or' and the 'and' are important and so is they're placement in the definition.Ya, exactly! They can either be cleaned, which takes a couple minutes work which WDFW/USFWS will never let happen OR processed and frozen which takes a while longer. You will have a lot less resistance with your proposal if you take out the cleaned part and just say "processed and frozen"'Processed' has too many implications by it'self. Cleaned needs to be part of the verbage in order to cover birds that have simply been 'cleaned' and frozen. 'Processed' covers the same birds if they've been de-boned or turned into sausage etc.And thats another problem. (I want to state I am not attacking you). Your definition needs further clarifying. What is "cleaned"? What is "frozen"? What is "processed"? All of these terms may mean different things to different people. For example, does it need to be "hard as a rock" frozen or just been in the freezer for a couple hours and be slightly frozen?I'm not sure if you've contacted her but Lori Preuss with WDFW Enforcement is WDFW's rule coordinator and represents WDFW in big WDFW criminal cases. Whenever a WAC or RCW is changed she basically reviews it to make sure there will be no legal problems with it. She would be a great person to contact, I am sure she would bring up the same issues that I have. Lori.Preuss@dfw.wa.gov