Anchor Site

[Dnix]

Does anyoneknow if the Anchor Site is legal for Archery hunting in Washinton state.

http://www.archeryinnovations.com/

[jaymark6655]

Not legal, its a scope.  Page 75, 1i follows:
i.   It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with any
bow equipped with a scope. However,
hunters with disabilities who meet the
definition of being visually impaired
in WAC 232-12-828 may receive a
special use permit that would allow
the use of scopes or other visual aids.
A disabled hunter permit holder in
possession of a special use permit that
allows the use of a scope or visual aid
may hunt game birds or game animals
during archery seasons.

[BULLBLASTER]

its not a scope, and i see no reason why it wouldnt be legal... it is just a dot that you line up in teh center of a circle before using your pins to aim at the target... 

[jaymark6655]

its not a scope, and i see no reason why it wouldnt be legal... it is just a dot that you line up in teh center of a circle before using your pins to aim at the target... 

In the description on the website they (the site) specifically say that it is a scope and there is some magnifacation.

[jaymark6655]

Check out paragraph four of this link.

http://www.archeryinnovations.com/DOCS/What%20is%20an%20Anchor%20Sight.pdf

[BULLBLASTER]

It still does not magnify anything on the target or the pins... have you tried one? It is an alignment tool like a peep. There is still no lens between the shooters eye and the target... only pins.

[jaymark6655]

No I have never used one.  Did you read the websites description?  I am just repeating what they say about it, on their website.

From Paragraph 4 of the link I posted above.

"What is an Anchor Sight...?  It is a scope you look into through a magnifying lens and view........"  Their words not mine and I think that would be enough to make it illegal here.

[BULLBLASTER]

You can't see anything through the "scope" except a white background and a crosshair. You then line up the crosshair up with a dot and once aligned correctly Tue bow is torque free and you aim with the pin on the target just like with a peep... I don't see how it can be considered a scope by law.

[jaymark6655]

Yeah, I agree with that.  Very unfornate choice of words in their product description.  It is in one hell of a gray area.

[BULLBLASTER]

If any sight with scope in the description there would be a heck of a lot of sights illegal... most target archery sight pin housings are called "scopes" even though it doesn't neccesarily have a  lens. I wonder what WA states legal definition of a scope is? I would think that a lens that you look through to see the target would be considered a scope

[jgrimes]

I know a guy that uses one on his hunting setup. He loves it, but says that every once in awhile he runs into problems when snow or rain build up on it. I'm almost certain that it's legal to have on your bow for hunting.

[iRem]

I know a guy that uses one on his hunting setup. He loves it, but says that every once in awhile he runs into problems when snow or rain build up on it. I'm almost certain that it's legal to have on your bow for hunting.

That would drive me nuts!  I can see it now, I'm focused on a deer or elk, I pull back and just my luck I need to clean my so called peep sight/scope, NO Thanks! I already have to blow into the peep sight once in a while because I went through a bunch of stuff.

[huntndad]

As others have said, it's not a scope.  You can't even see all the way through it.  I've had one on my bow for a number of years and never even questioned whether it was legal or not.  I really like it and find it much more reliable for hunting than a peep.  It has fogged up a few times, but one of the great things about it is that you can still shoot your bow perfectly fine even when you can't see the "dot" inside it. 

[D-Rock425]

Looks like just me stuff i dont need.

[jechicdr]

I have one.  It is not a scope.  It is an alignment tool.  It's great in low light conditions because you are not decreasing the amount of light to your eye by looking through a peep.  If you wear glasses, you do not have to view your pins through the corner of your glasses trying to line up your peep and sight.

If you draw your bow and anchor in the same spot and don't have any torque on the bow, and don't cock your head at odd angles and you have the anchor site set up properly, you will be lined up properly every time and would just have to look at your pins to hit your target.  In other words, if you always shoot from a natural relaxed position, and you have the Anchor site set up to be lined up when you are in that position, the pins will be pointing at where the arrow should go.  The anchor site, once set up properly mainly just helps you be consistent in your shooting.  It will show it if you torque the bow, or have your release anchored in the wrong spot.

When I'm shooting, I draw and hold...glance at the Anchor Site...yep lined up as expected...line up the pin...shoot.  Have not had any issues yet with it fogging or getting snow in it.

[coachcw]

just find a consistant anchor point ! no need for that thing.

[MAVsled]

love my anchor site.
I shoot better and tighter groups now out to longer yardages. Of course practice helps.

For me, don't have to worry about vision in low light thru a peep any longer, or string twist/peep alignment problems, or sun glare thru peep hole. And it does help with a consistent anchor point. Most of the time now I don't pay attention much to the Anchor site when shooting. But that big AZ coues buck last year at 65 yards severe downhill, I made sure to check my alignment at a quick glance with the anchor site before the shot.
And my 5th pin set at 60 yards, I can effectively shoot out to 70-75 yards if needed in the right conditions (eg no or light wind) using the Anchor sight scale. Per their instructions, it has become a 6th and 7th pin. But you need to practice the elevation view adjustments thru the anchor site to shoot higher arc and thus longer ranges.
More pricey than a peep but for me, worth it.

practice, practice...no matter what you use.

[Wildsau]

Best bet would be to contact WDFW and get their reading.

[jechicdr]

WDFW probably knows even less about the anchor sight.  You cannot look through it and see your target behind it.  It is not a "scope".

[Archery King]

Legal or not legal its why cant you just shoot with a regular peep like the rest of the world?  there are thing out the called a "gimick" and that is one of them.

[jechicdr]

Legal or not legal its why cant you just shoot with a regular peep like the rest of the world?  there are thing out the called a "gimick" and that is one of them.

Why not shoot traditional gear, skip the peep altogether.  Why not throw out your dropaway rests, your compound bow letoff, your bow sight, your release, your stabilizers, your carbon and aluminum arrows, your plastic vanes, your metal broadheads, your custom strings.

The peep has some strengths, simplicity being one.  It has some weaknesses, namely the amount of light it lets through and having to line up your peep with your anchor point and some people the end of their nose.  I don't know about most people, but my nose is not right under my eye...not even the one in the middle of my forehead.  The rubber tubing on my last peep would break about every 30th shot.  Next argument would be to get a tubeless peep and spend all my time getting my peep to line up.

The Anchor Sight is a tool, and it works well for everyone that has one that I have heard from.

[boneaddict]

Their words......Scope

I wouldn't call it that but then again, I think its a worthless gimmick.  Good discussion

[MAVsled]

Legal or not legal its why cant you just shoot with a regular peep like the rest of the world?  there are thing out the called a "gimick" and that is one of them.

in the early 80's: there were no peeps and the only release were your fingers...even on the compounds back then. no loops or release  triggers etc.
my early bows were a Bear Whitetail Hunter and later a Jennings T-Star Hunter. My sight pins were metal with fingernail polish applied to the ends. and a 55lb Bow took some pulling-pushing to draw back too

[Archery King]

The advancements in archery have come a long way in the last ten years but they need to stop somwhere.  I supose all you "Anchor Site" junkies want to put twelve power scopes on your muzzleloader as well and turn it into a basic rifle?  These rules are in place for good reason to keep the sport what it is supose to be HARDER THAN RIFLE!!!  Play along or pick up a bang stick. 

[jechicdr]

You're probably right...the Anchor Site gives us so much of an advantage, might as well hunt the rifle season.