Washington Governors Moose Tag

[muzbuster]

The state does have a moose raffle.  Tickets are about $11 each or so.  In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?

The new thing is to spend $30k on raffle tickets though. How does that make things even close to fair for me. At least 2 raffles that I know of last fall were won by guys spending many thousands of dollars. Heck 1 guy bought a tag at auction then won the raffle tag too.
what pianoman is saying....each person buys 1 ticket at $20 each. Then everyone has a fair shake.

Sounds right to me Jackelope

[jackelope]

Pianoman-I'm not sure we've ever had that conversation before.

I'm not against the auctions. I'm for them. What chaps me is when a guy buys a tag at auction. Then the raffles come out and I go spend $30 on a few chances. I like to think I at least have a chance. Literally, I know I do, but realistically I know the guy behind me is throwing down $20k on raffle tickets for 1 species. I know the elk guy last year did that and I know the 3 deer raffle winner did the same thing. I don't know the exact dollar amounts but I know they were a lot of $$ spent on raffle tickets. Fair is fair I guess, they're not braking any rules....but what little chance you and I had at winning one  of them just got mostly blown out the back door by the guy behind me in line.
I won't be buying any more raffle tickets unless they change the program...I'll tell you that much for sure.

Wacoues-I see where you're coming from and you're probably right. I don't think they should replace the auctions with one  of these 1 ticket raffles, but maybe they should change the raffles to 1 ticket a piece at $25 a throw or something like that.

[carpsniperg2]

I agree with josh. I would love to see it go to 1 ticket per person per species. I will not be buying anymore unless they change as well. If guys want to spend the money and drop 20k in raffle tickets that is there right. I see those guys as the people that should be buying the auctions. Let the little guys have a shot at the raffles

[WAcoueshunter]

The state does have a moose raffle.  Tickets are about $11 each or so.  In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?

So why not raffle all three of the moose tags instead of saving one for the rich? Do we not have enough people buying raffle tags to generate this kind of money?

Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against rich people. I'd like to be able to count myself among them one day. However, the North American Conservation Model provides that wild game belongs to all off us, not just the rich, as it is in most of Europe. It'd be one thing if not enough people were interested. But, I think they are and would buy the tickets.

I'm all for giving everyone a shot - heck, I participate in the raffles but don't see myself buying auction tags anytime soon.  But unfortunately I think the raffle route would have raised a lot less $$, particularly in this case.  With each extra tag you raffle, the incremental proceeds will be less and less because you've already soaked up a significant amount of your demand for moose raffle tickets.  I'm guessing adding an extra moose tag might get an extra $10K in incremental raffle ticket sales, if that.  In this case, we would have lost out on $30K for wildlife by selling that tag through the raffle.  Similarly, for max proceeds with the same number of tags, I don't think you want to just auction all of them either.  If the goal is to maximize proceeds, then we need to mix it up a little and sell through different channels.

All due respects WACoues, from where do you get your data? I think selling another 2000 raffle tickets to give another chance at a moose would sell out quickly. In addition, what would stop the same rich guy from buying as many raffle tickets as he wants, one at a time? Sorry, but I don't think there's any shortage of people buying raffle tickets until I see some data supporting that.

Basic economics.  I might buy 5 raffle moose tickets, but adding another moose tag isn't going to get me to buy 10.

[muzbuster]

I agree with josh. I would love to see it go to 1 ticket per person per species. I will not be buying anymore unless they change as well. If guys want to spend the money and drop 20k in raffle tickets that is there right. I see those guys as the people that should be buying the auctions. Let the little guys have a shot at the raffles

Agreed!

[jackelope]

The state does have a moose raffle.  Tickets are about $11 each or so.  In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?

So why not raffle all three of the moose tags instead of saving one for the rich? Do we not have enough people buying raffle tags to generate this kind of money?

Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against rich people. I'd like to be able to count myself among them one day. However, the North American Conservation Model provides that wild game belongs to all off us, not just the rich, as it is in most of Europe. It'd be one thing if not enough people were interested. But, I think they are and would buy the tickets.

I'm all for giving everyone a shot - heck, I participate in the raffles but don't see myself buying auction tags anytime soon.  But unfortunately I think the raffle route would have raised a lot less $$, particularly in this case.  With each extra tag you raffle, the incremental proceeds will be less and less because you've already soaked up a significant amount of your demand for moose raffle tickets.  I'm guessing adding an extra moose tag might get an extra $10K in incremental raffle ticket sales, if that.  In this case, we would have lost out on $30K for wildlife by selling that tag through the raffle.  Similarly, for max proceeds with the same number of tags, I don't think you want to just auction all of them either.  If the goal is to maximize proceeds, then we need to mix it up a little and sell through different channels.

All due respects WACoues, from where do you get your data? I think selling another 2000 raffle tickets to give another chance at a moose would sell out quickly. In addition, what would stop the same rich guy from buying as many raffle tickets as he wants, one at a time? Sorry, but I don't think there's any shortage of people buying raffle tickets until I see some data supporting that.

Basic economics.  I might buy 5 raffle moose tickets, but adding another moose tag isn't going to get me to buy 10.

I don't think the right thing to do is replace the auction with another raffle...read my posts above and tell me if they make sense to you.

[muzbuster]

Wasnt trying to say we should do away with the auctions, great money maker & that is what this state is all about. Just make the raffles a 1 ticket per person giving everyone the same chance at winning. If someone can spend 40k or whatever at an auction for a tag then good for them, to each his own, let them go for it. IMO

[WAcoueshunter]

Then Shockey gets all $20k. At least this way most of the money goes back to conservation.

Silly people think the money goes to a good cause if it goes to the state..right...the only good I see is 10% that went to the chapters

Other silly people don't know what gets done with the money and just assume they think they know.

Here's where at least some of the money goes...this is the documented expenditures of the sheep money.  $72K in all, much of which went to the WSU wild sheep program.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/expenditures/2009-2011/sheep_2009-2011.pdf

[jackelope]

Then Shockey gets all $20k. At least this way most of the money goes back to conservation.

Silly people think the money goes to a good cause if it goes to the state..right...the only good I see is 10% that went to the chapters

Other silly people don't know what gets done with the money and just assume they think they know.

Here's where at least some of the money goes...this is the documented expenditures of the sheep money.  $72K in all, much of which went to the WSU wild sheep program.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/expenditures/2009-2011/sheep_2009-2011.pdf

Good stuff.

[liljozie495]

$40K Is it really worth it? I dont think so! IMO

Would rather spend 20k & go with Shockey on his Yukon hunt.

but that doesnt put money into our fish and wild life in washington does it? that puts money in shockeys pocket...

Congrats to the tag purchaser, hope hes a member and does a write up after the hunt 

[huntnnw]

And you see that money being used by WDFW I highly doubt it

[Skyvalhunter]

Nope general fund. Our money is being spent in wolf recovery.

[jackelope]

Nope general fund. Our money is being spent in wolf recovery.

According to WDFW that money does not go to the general fund. I suppose it could all be a lie, but anyway...
 

[elkoholic1]

Nope general fund. Our money is being spent in wolf recovery.

According to WDFW that money does not go to the general fund. I suppose it could all be a lie, but anyway...

what you talking about Willis!!!!  absurd that the government would ever lie to the American people!!!   

[jackelope]

 

Trust me sir. I'm with the gooberment and I'm here to help.