WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful

[ucwarden]

A few of you have seen my posts of the last couple of days.  I am brand new to this forum stuff, so forgive me if I get something wrong when trying to post.

Welcome aboard.

Thanks to you too

[KFhunter]

If I owned this site and had to make a decision over a random member or a WDFW LE because they couldn't get along, I'd choose the LE almost everytime.  If someone were antagonizing the professional I'd oust them post haste if they couldn't ask questions or behave in a reasonable way.

They do bring a valued service to a forum like this, where as members come and go or just rename themselves.  IMO - A warden or person like bigTex is just a little more equal than some random member.

 


And yes RT when your thing was all going down I'd have booted you, and now your jacking this thread so since you weren't booted then I'd be warning you now. 

Really? You think that because of a badge they are a Little better than us? You are smoking some good stuff? How bout google bad cops with badges? Their are a ton of them. Not saying all but they do exist.

So just having a badge on makes them better than who? Lets say Dale? Rtspring? Coach, BLRman, Whitpirate, MtnMuley, Plateu, you sir are dead wrong and wrong by a long ways!

They put their pants on just like you and I. And wait for it, wait, Hold , Hold.   Some are even bad guys wearing a badge that think they are above the law!  Booted me for what my opinion?? Its called my side of the story! Why am I not in jail? Or paying 2000 bucks for a dead two point??? Hmmmm maybe because I was right all along. How bout give me some credit!!  Oh thats right I dont have a badge!!! So I must be lying...

You took that way too personal and I didn't mean it as an attack or question your honesty.


If this were a site on basket weaving and a college professor of basket weaving volunteered their time I'd make them just a little more equal too than some random wannabe basket weaver.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Welcome to hunt-washington ucwarden.

[ucwarden]

Welcome to hunt-washington ucwarden.

Thanks.  I may not spend a ton of time on this, in the future, as computers turn my brain to mush.  We'll see

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Welcome to hunt-washington ucwarden.

Thanks.  I may not spend a ton of time on this, in the future, as computers turn my brain to mush.  We'll see

I don't disagree.

[BOWHUNTER45]

Welcome Ucwarden ...HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR RETIRED  Just being me ...nothing ment 

[ucwarden]

Welcome Ucwarden ...HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR RETIRED  Just being me ...nothing ment 

That makes two people who are glad I retired; you and my ex-deputy chief.

Thanks

[BOWHUNTER45]

Welcome Ucwarden ...HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR RETIRED  Just being me ...nothing ment 

That makes two people who are glad I retired; you and my ex-deputy chief.

Thanks

[Special T]

I have also seen a lot of officers across the state; some good some not so good, but as a sportsman I always thought of game wardens in a positive way (which I guess is why I became one).

I do not want to get into arguements about individual officers or individual cases, but can someone explain to me why there are so many negative postings about the people who risk their lives to make sure you, your kids and your grand kids still have animals to hunt and fish for?

I simply don't get it.

Here is my take on It UC Warden. Most people do not have a positive experience with wardens by the nature of the job. The second part to it is Wardens are the front line for the department.  I can tell you there is plenty of animosity at the WDFW for their rules that seem to make no logical sense. They also seem to lack justification, or the ability to "sell" an idea.  Since wardens have to enforce laws no matter how good or bad they are i think they get the brunt of bad will by poor thinking. I would think that officer digression is more on dropping the boom as much as possible than giving verbal warnings. I know more people that have gotten verbal warnings from cops than wardens.    Leos in general have a hard job, which is why it is my mottos to make the brief, polite and positive.

[ucwarden]

I have also seen a lot of officers across the state; some good some not so good, but as a sportsman I always thought of game wardens in a positive way (which I guess is why I became one).

I do not want to get into arguements about individual officers or individual cases, but can someone explain to me why there are so many negative postings about the people who risk their lives to make sure you, your kids and your grand kids still have animals to hunt and fish for?

I simply don't get it.

Here is my take on It UC Warden. Most people do not have a positive experience with wardens by the nature of the job. The second part to it is Wardens are the front line for the department.  I can tell you there is plenty of animosity at the WDFW for their rules that seem to make no logical sense. They also seem to lack justification, or the ability to "sell" an idea.  Since wardens have to enforce laws no matter how good or bad they are i think they get the brunt of bad will by poor thinking. I would think that officer digression is more on dropping the boom as much as possible than giving verbal warnings. I know more people that have gotten verbal warnings from cops than wardens.    Leos in general have a hard job, which is why it is my mottos to make the brief, polite and positive.

There you go!!!  Right on the point.  I will go back to saying; let's try to get some real changes.  I have one huge advantage, in that I have a ton of experience in the job, have contacts all over the state, yet am no longer restrained by the chain-of-command.  So I can tell it as it is (for once in my career), or at least my view on how it is.

Start with warnings vs. citations:  In the administration, which was in place until a couple of weeks ago, it was all about numbers.  Quantity was way more important than quality.  A numbers driven LE program results in more citations, where warnings may have been more appropriate.

Maybe this is impossible, but I would like to rally the people on this website to make some real changes in WDFW enforcement.

[grundy53]

I have also seen a lot of officers across the state; some good some not so good, but as a sportsman I always thought of game wardens in a positive way (which I guess is why I became one).

I do not want to get into arguements about individual officers or individual cases, but can someone explain to me why there are so many negative postings about the people who risk their lives to make sure you, your kids and your grand kids still have animals to hunt and fish for?

I simply don't get it.

Here is my take on It UC Warden. Most people do not have a positive experience with wardens by the nature of the job. The second part to it is Wardens are the front line for the department.  I can tell you there is plenty of animosity at the WDFW for their rules that seem to make no logical sense. They also seem to lack justification, or the ability to "sell" an idea.  Since wardens have to enforce laws no matter how good or bad they are i think they get the brunt of bad will by poor thinking. I would think that officer digression is more on dropping the boom as much as possible than giving verbal warnings. I know more people that have gotten verbal warnings from cops than wardens.    Leos in general have a hard job, which is why it is my mottos to make the brief, polite and positive.

Exactly!

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[ucwarden]

And, those rules that make no sense; let's work to change them too!

[Knocker of rocks]

Outdoor Guardian pretty much got on here and called me a LIAR on more than one account. Yet to this day not one fact from his statements have been found to do anything but bend the facts. Funny how he blasted me on a public forum but never came back when all was said and done!

He is a crook, no if ands or butts! I want every law abiding hunter on here including mods to be aware of that. 

I put all my stuff on here for one reason so that others would learn from the hell I went through! No sir, they get no respect from me.

The day I get my rifle back that may change, but we all know that will never happen. 

Rtspring

Just more dramatic histrionics.  There really should be a header all for you

[rtspring]

A few of you have seen my posts of the last couple of days.  I am brand new to this forum stuff, so forgive me if I get something wrong when trying to post.

After 34-years as a WDFW officer and detective, I retired last December.  So I have a fairly extensive background with WDFW LE.

I had a conversation with Pianoman, about what anomosity I have seen towards WDFW officers on here, and I was confused.  I have hunted and fished all my life, which is why I ended up in the job I did.....I care deeply about the resources. 

I have also seen a lot of officers across the state; some good some not so good, but as a sportsman I always thought of game wardens in a positive way (which I guess is why I became one).

I do not want to get into arguements about individual officers or individual cases, but can someone explain to me why there are so many negative postings about the people who risk their lives to make sure you, your kids and your grandkids still have animals to hunt and fish for?

I simply don't get it.

Really? They leave a just recently shot animal to rot in the woods, but hile down over a mile to cut its horns off.  That is unsat.

No crime committed and taken to court and ordered by a judge to return ones rifle, but almost two years later have yet to produce the rifle.

Post on their webpage about a snagger and post a pic of said snagger!!

Lie to get information.

I have a really good feeling I know who you are. If Im correct in my assesments you are one of THEM. 

What animals are you protecting when Natives shoot everything in sute but only collect a few of the animals? 

Write the white guy a ticket for keeping a foul hooked fish but yet ac1/4 mile awY there are nets killing thousands of fish...

Telling a guy your taking him to jail for having a loaded gun on a quad!!! Been through it.

rtspring:

Since you claim to know who I am, and I am "one of them", let me make sure you are correct.
My name is Todd A. Vandivert.  I have been stationed in Tri-Cities, Forks, Dayton, Shelton and Anacortes.

Now in order to put your "issues" to rest, if you would like to talk to me, side-bar so we don't take up a bunch of this forum, email me at:  ucwarden@gmail.com  Provide your phone number and I'll even call you.  I really do care, but I also don't want to take this forum up discussing your individual situation.

Sound fair?

Thanks I would love to understand the law! I am glad you put your name on here. Mine is Kurt W Perkins.  You probably checked me waterfowl hunting down in Prosser at sometime. I think I even asked for your card one day.. I will pm you my personal email.  Thanks again. Welcome to the site.

I just got a bad taste in my mouth from dealings with gamies. No harm meant..

Thanks

[hoyt2002]

I for one have never had a bad contact with Wardens. Even on one contact were he had me dead to rights. I failed to do an easy and important step well me and my buddy both failed to do it we had two buck there. Anyways he could have gave us tickets but warned us and let us rectify the mistake. I even had one tell me were he seen a nice buck an hour before running in to me and how to get there. Both wardens I refure to were both great guys and left me with a positive outlook on WDFW LE.