The realities of ranching and wolves

[AspenBud]

This topic details the proven economic impact in idaho, wolves hit local and state economies hard. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147923.0.html

That's nice. This isn't Idaho.

Again it's obvious your head is so far in the sand that you can't see the daylight. Much of eastern Washington has the same economy as Idaho. This is the impact we'll be seeing in eastern WA. Of course you have made yourself clear that you don't care what happens outside your little world.

I somehow doubt wheat and lentil farmers in the Palouse will lose a lot of money because of wolves. I rather doubt people in Spokane will lose a lot of money.

I don't agree with how the state is handling the wolf issue. You won't believe that, but I really don't. But there are some harsh realities in play here in Washington and they go far beyond WDFW's "management plan."

I can see you have spent a lot of time in the Palouse,  PM me when WDFW ID's the den site site near Endicott 

PM me when wolves are known to eat wheat.   

[thatdamguy]

Yes, wolves probably wont effect the palouse farms and ranches as much as others but regardless farmers and ranchers of all areas need to stand together on this topic. It happens all to often where the decisions of large densely populated ares effect the smaller farm and ranch community's and the WA and OR state wolf plans are a direct result of that. The wolves are going to be a problem for all rural communities who's economy is fueled by farming ranching and sportsman.

[KFhunter]

umm..

What happens when Elk are protected or make the ESA list?   the farmers won't be able to do anything if they get on the wheat fields.

[snowpack]

This topic details the proven economic impact in idaho, wolves hit local and state economies hard. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147923.0.html

That's nice. This isn't Idaho.

Again it's obvious your head is so far in the sand that you can't see the daylight. Much of eastern Washington has the same economy as Idaho. This is the impact we'll be seeing in eastern WA. Of course you have made yourself clear that you don't care what happens outside your little world.

I somehow doubt wheat and lentil farmers in the Palouse will lose a lot of money because of wolves. I rather doubt people in Spokane will lose a lot of money.

I don't agree with how the state is handling the wolf issue. You won't believe that, but I really don't. But there are some harsh realities in play here in Washington and they go far beyond WDFW's "management plan."

I can see you have spent a lot of time in the Palouse,  PM me when WDFW ID's the den site site near Endicott 

PM me when wolves are known to eat wheat.   

I think what the one guy was saying is that the wolves will kill off more coyotes than humans will.  And coyotes keep the rodents down, so wolves may cause more crops to be lost.  Guess time will tell.  I've encountered more than one farmer that wouldn't allow yote hunting because of rodent control.  I think coyotes will focus on vermin more than game, where wolves will go for game more than vermin.

[AspenBud]

This topic details the proven economic impact in idaho, wolves hit local and state economies hard. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147923.0.html

That's nice. This isn't Idaho.

Again it's obvious your head is so far in the sand that you can't see the daylight. Much of eastern Washington has the same economy as Idaho. This is the impact we'll be seeing in eastern WA. Of course you have made yourself clear that you don't care what happens outside your little world.

I somehow doubt wheat and lentil farmers in the Palouse will lose a lot of money because of wolves. I rather doubt people in Spokane will lose a lot of money.

I don't agree with how the state is handling the wolf issue. You won't believe that, but I really don't. But there are some harsh realities in play here in Washington and they go far beyond WDFW's "management plan."

I can see you have spent a lot of time in the Palouse,  PM me when WDFW ID's the den site site near Endicott 

PM me when wolves are known to eat wheat.   

I think what the one guy was saying is that the wolves will kill off more coyotes than humans will.  And coyotes keep the rodents down, so wolves may cause more crops to be lost.  Guess time will tell.  I've encountered more than one farmer that wouldn't allow yote hunting because of rodent control.  I think coyotes will focus on vermin more than game, where wolves will go for game more than vermin.

That's a really good point.

[thatdamguy]

umm..

What happens when Elk are protected or make the ESA list?   the farmers won't be able to do anything if they get on the wheat fields.

LOL the idiots who were pro-wolfers and the WDFW will probably recommend high fences and more night rides and noise makers for deterrent......

[KFhunter]

umm..

What happens when Elk are protected or make the ESA list?   the farmers won't be able to do anything if they get on the wheat fields.

LOL the idiots who were pro-wolfers and the WDFW will probably recommend high fences and more night rides and noise makers for deterrent......

don't forget flaggery and range riders 

[AspenBud]

umm..

What happens when Elk are protected or make the ESA list?   the farmers won't be able to do anything if they get on the wheat fields.

Okay I'll bite, if they get listed their numbers will be so small that any damage they do won't amount to much.

Even if you're right people are short sighted and in that part of the state the old joke used to be that a bad year for a wheat farmer is when they have to drive a Lincoln instead of a Cadillac. Wolves will not bankrupt them and neither will hypothetically endangered elk. Genetically modified wheat popping up where it shouldn't, now that's a different story.

[nwwanderer]

Wolves and annual crops are like Peterbilt's and Prius's, not related.  But with nearly a billion dollar cow/calf industry in this state and a single calf approaching or exceeding a $1000 any predator is a big deal, a wolf population is a nightmare.

[wence5]

Wolves and annual crops are like Peterbilt's and Prius's, not related.  But with nearly a billion dollar cow/calf industry in this state and a single calf approaching or exceeding a $1000 any predator is a big deal, a wolf population is a nightmare.

Right on nwwanderer! People in the large cities don't get it because they haven't been directly effected, yet. If they were being hit hard in the wallet they would be bi***** too, but right now they are more than happy to drive into the forest in their Subaru to hear the wolves howl and feel all fuzzy inside. Wait until they go out to have a nice steak dinner or go to the grocery store and see beef prices have tripled! 

[wolfbait]

Wolves and annual crops are like Peterbilt's and Prius's, not related.  But with nearly a billion dollar cow/calf industry in this state and a single calf approaching or exceeding a $1000 any predator is a big deal, a wolf population is a nightmare.

Right on nwwanderer! People in the large cities don't get it because they haven't been directly effected, yet. If they were being hit hard in the wallet they would be bi***** too, but right now they are more than happy to drive into the forest in their Subaru to hear the wolves howl and feel all fuzzy inside. Wait until they go out to have a nice steak dinner or go to the grocery store and see beef prices have tripled!

Or when fluffy gets chomped at their second home in the Methow Valley, just like the over population of cougars, those who voted for no hound hunting were the first to scream kill it.

[wence5]

Wolves and annual crops are like Peterbilt's and Prius's, not related.  But with nearly a billion dollar cow/calf industry in this state and a single calf approaching or exceeding a $1000 any predator is a big deal, a wolf population is a nightmare.

Right on nwwanderer! People in the large cities don't get it because they haven't been directly effected, yet. If they were being hit hard in the wallet they would be bi***** too, but right now they are more than happy to drive into the forest in their Subaru to hear the wolves howl and feel all fuzzy inside. Wait until they go out to have a nice steak dinner or go to the grocery store and see beef prices have tripled!

Or when fluffy gets chomped at their second home in the Methow Valley, just like the over population of cougars, those who voted for no hound hunting were the first to scream kill it.

True that wolfbait. I have seen that same thing happen here in SW Washington because of no hound hunting. A few years ago there was a young male cougar making his living in the Camas hills just off of small dogs and cats. A lot of the people in these high dollar homes, which BTW I'm confident many up there voted to stop hound hunting, were screaming long and loud for WDFW to DO SOMETHING! You guys flocked up the watering hole and now you want someone to do something? This is why we have the problems with predators we do, because everyone has a vote, even if they don't have a clue what the consequences will be when they vote on these issues. I'll bet that if there were a ballot measure up for a vote to allow limited wolf hunting it would go down in flames, thanks to the Seattle crowd. 

[AspenBud]

Wolves and annual crops are like Peterbilt's and Prius's, not related.  But with nearly a billion dollar cow/calf industry in this state and a single calf approaching or exceeding a $1000 any predator is a big deal, a wolf population is a nightmare.

Right on nwwanderer! People in the large cities don't get it because they haven't been directly effected, yet. If they were being hit hard in the wallet they would be bi***** too, but right now they are more than happy to drive into the forest in their Subaru to hear the wolves howl and feel all fuzzy inside. Wait until they go out to have a nice steak dinner or go to the grocery store and see beef prices have tripled!

Or when fluffy gets chomped at their second home in the Methow Valley, just like the over population of cougars, those who voted for no hound hunting were the first to scream kill it.

True that wolfbait. I have seen that same thing happen here in SW Washington because of now hound hunting. A few years ago there was a young male cougar making his living in the Camas hills just off of small dogs and cats. A lot of the people in these high dollar home, which BTW I'm confident many up there voted to stop hound hunting, were screaming long and loud for WDFW to DO SOMETHING! You guys flocked up the watering hole and now you want someone to do something? This is why we have the problems with predators we do, because everyone has a vote, even if they don't have a clue what the consequences will be when they vote on these issues. I'll be that if there were a ballot measure up for a vote to allow limited wolf hunting it would go down in flames, thanks to the Seattle crowd. 

 

Wildlife management should never be left to voters. I absolutely agree with that.