collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US  (Read 2810 times)

Offline Bob33

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 21758
  • Groups: SCI, RMEF, NRA, Hunter Education
Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US
« on: October 27, 2014, 08:58:27 AM »
WILTON, Maine (AP) - In Maine, a hunter can shoot a bear while it's nose-deep in a barrel of doughnuts, after it's been chased up a tree with dogs, or when it's snared in a cable trap - but that could change in days, and hunters and animal rights advocates around the country are watching.
 
Bears are hunted in 32 states but Maine has the most permissive rules. It is the only one that allows hunters to use three methods - bait, dogs and traps - decried by animal rights groups and targeted by a Nov. 4 ballot proposal that would ban them all.
 
National hunting groups oppose the ban because they believe it could set a precedent that prompts other states to try to roll back hunting rights. Some animal rights activists see it as a dress rehearsal for referendums in other states that allow hunting methods they perceive as cruel.
 
The referendum has prompted a spirited fight within the state, where proponents of the ban say the food habituates bears to humans, which can lead to dangerous encounters. They also decry the three methods as unsportsmanlike. But opponents say the methods are necessary to control Maine's growing bear population, which has risen to about 30,000, up about 30 percent from ten years ago.
 
Campaigns supporting and opposing the ban have both raised more than $1 million. The Ohio-based U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance has donated more than $100,000 to Save Maine's Bear Hunt, which seeks to defeat the referendum, said Evan Heusinkveld, a spokesman for the group.
 
"It's a direct threat to the future of hunting in Maine and across the country," Heusinkveld said. "We want to see the longtime professionals in the state be able to manage the bear population."
 
State wildlife biologists also oppose the ban and have campaigned against it. Maine wildlife division director Judy Camuso said passage of the ban would mean a larger bear population that would create more competition for resources, meaning more bears starve and range into residential settings in search of food.
 
"What I really don't want is people's primary interaction with a black bear to be that of a nuisance," Camuso said.
 
Using bait - typically sugary human food such as doughnuts - is by far the most common method of bear hunting, accounts for about four-fifths of the hunt, and is the most debated of the three methods.
 
Supporters of the proposal say the use of bait has actually abetted the state's growing bear population. Dumping thousands of pounds of human food into the woods - one oft-cited estimate says it's about 7 million pounds per year - has created a well-fed bear population that reproduces more frequently, said Katie Hansberry, campaign director for Mainers for Fair Bear Hunting. She said that's also why nuisance bear encounters have increased about 25 percent, to about 500 per year, since a decade ago.
 
"It's the absolute worst way to manage bears if you want to minimize conflicts with people," Hansberry said.
 
People have hunted bears in Maine for hundreds of years - an article on a Maine Historical Society website details Native Americans' reliance on bears for food more than 1,200 years ago. Today, Maine is the only state that allows all three hunting methods, and the only state that allows trapping, typically with foothold snares. Hunting without the three methods, which proponents of the ban call "fair chase," would remain legal if the referendum passes.
 
Twelve states allow bear baiting - with different degrees of restrictions - and of those, Maine, Alaska, Idaho, Utah, Michigan, Wisconsin and New Hampshire also allow hunting with dogs, or "hounding." Eleven other states allow hounding but not baiting. Massachusetts, Washington, Oregon and Colorado voters rolled back hunting methods via referendum in the 1990s.
 
Many hunters say the ban would devastate Maine outfitters and guides who rely on the fall bear hunt to bring in out-of-state tourism dollars.
 
"If this thing passes, you won't have to worry about them coming back," said Bob Parker, owner of Stony Brook Outfitters, motioning to a group of about 20 out-of-state hunters at his Wilton lodge. "I'll be out of business. There's just no way to keep the doors open."
 
The Virginia-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and Connecticut-based Friends of Animals are also monitoring the results of the referendum, in the hopes that it will drum up anti-baiting sentiment in other states.
 
"Having these exceptionally cruel practices like baiting and trapping in the news helps to bring them to people across the country, who will want to see them banned," said campaign specialist Ashley Byrne.
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

Offline Lucky1

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2014
  • Posts: 3942
  • Location: Kelso
  • Groups: NRA. GOP
Re: Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2014, 09:13:21 PM »
Thanks for posting the article. I wasn't aware that this was happening. I hope they keep their right to the hunting method they want to use. Why would any one care when the end result is a dead bear.

The last sentence in the article says that baiting is exceptionaly cruel. How is shooting one by an apple tree somewhere any different than shooting one by a pile of apples?
Socialism
Is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It’s inherent value is the equal sharing of misery. - Winston Churchill

Offline timberfaller

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2014
  • Posts: 4161
  • Location: East Wenatchee
Re: Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2014, 09:21:07 PM »
Same argument used against us here!!  ONLY we lost because our Supreme Court Judges couldn't COUNT!!

The initiative that made "bait" hunting was tied to two other issues and OUR state has a "single issue" initiative system.

Yet a lot of people THINK judges are intelligent and or educated!! :bash: 
The only good tree, is a stump!

Offline silverdalesauer

  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+17)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2011
  • Posts: 1206
  • Location: Kitsap
  • Faith, Family, Hunting, Fishing, and Dogs!
    • https://www.facebook.com/tiebinds
    • The Tie That Binds: Outdoor Ministry
  • Groups: Christian Waterfowlers Association; NRA Life Member; GOA; DU; DW
Re: Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2014, 03:24:59 PM »
I grew up in Maine and all my family and extended family lives and hunts there. This fight for bear hunting rights is directly from the people at the Human Society of the United States in Washington D.C. and is not coming from within the state of Maine.

A great place to get plugged into the truth is on the Maine Fish & Wildlife's own Facebook page that is fighting this initiative. The State of Maine's own F&W biologists are 100% against this initiative and started their own campaign against it. Check it out here: https://www.facebook.com/savemainesbearhunt?fref=nf

Sons are a heritage from the LORD, children a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are sons born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their enemies in the gate. - Psalm 127:3-5

Offline sakoshooter

  • WFW Board of Directors
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2009
  • Posts: 3597
  • Location: Puyallup
  • Groups: Life Memberr NRA, Life Member Sumner Sportsmans Association
Re: Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2014, 10:00:20 PM »
Same argument used against us here!!  ONLY we lost because our Supreme Court Judges couldn't COUNT!!

The initiative that made "bait" hunting was tied to two other issues and OUR state has a "single issue" initiative system.

Yet a lot of people THINK judges are intelligent and or educated!! :bash:

I disagree. The main reason we lost bear baiting and hound hunting was simply because hunters didn't vote. Most never thought either would pass so they stayed home and sat on their laurels. They were wrong. Voting is not only a right and privilege, it's an obligation to each other to stand up for our rights and what we believe in - a way of life.
Rhinelander, WI
Home of the Hodag

Offline bowbuild

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2011
  • Posts: 835
  • Location: Elma, wa.
Re: Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2014, 09:42:17 AM »
Same argument used against us here!!  ONLY we lost because our Supreme Court Judges couldn't COUNT!!

The initiative that made "bait" hunting was tied to two other issues and OUR state has a "single issue" initiative system.

Yet a lot of people THINK judges are intelligent and or educated!! :bash:

I disagree. The main reason we lost bear baiting and hound hunting was simply because hunters didn't vote. Most never thought either would pass so they stayed home and sat on their laurels. They were wrong. Voting is not only a right and privilege, it's an obligation to each other to stand up for our rights and what we believe in - a way of life.

I agree! I spent a lot of time at local sporting good stores asking hunters to vote against it....I was very suprised at about 30% of hunter responses.....I don't hunt bear or cougar, I could care less. Which also means that they were not voters.

I have repeatedly said the way to handle this is to say these practices (baiting/hounding)  is to allow for sexual identification. Bear don't grow antlers, therfore you shoot a bear spot/stalk you have a much more difficult time determing sex.....therefore you would possibly end up with ORPHAN CUBS. Agree with baiting or not, no one, not even a person on the fence on this subject would want to be part of a vote that creates more orphan cubs.

Bowbuild

Offline timberfaller

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2014
  • Posts: 4161
  • Location: East Wenatchee
Re: Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 08:09:25 AM »
It still goes to the LAW, yes stupid people stayed home and didn't vote, BUT it was taken to court based on "breaking" the state law concerning single issue initiatives.

The "judges" should have thrown it out, but when you can't count to three :dunno:
The only good tree, is a stump!

Offline pianoman9701

  • Mushroom Man
  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2011
  • Posts: 44808
  • Location: Vancouver USA
  • WWC, NRA Life, WFW, NAGR, RMEF, WSB, NMLS #2014743
    • www.facebook.com/johnwallacemortgage
    • John Wallace Mortgage
Re: Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2014, 08:28:15 AM »
A hunter who was profiled statewide in ME for supporting the baiting ban as ethical was arrested for shooting grouse out of his truck.

http://bangordailynews.com/2014/11/03/news/court/yes-on-1-spokesman-charged-with-shooting-a-weapon-from-a-vehicle-while-hunting-grouse/?ref=polbeat

How do we not beat these hosers?
"Restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens based on the actions of criminals and madmen will have no positive effect on the future acts of criminals and madmen. It will only serve to reduce individual rights and the very security of our republic." - Pianoman https://linktr.ee/johnlwallace https://valoaneducator.tv/johnwallace-2014743

Offline timberfaller

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2014
  • Posts: 4161
  • Location: East Wenatchee
Re: Maine bear bait vote sparks interest around US
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2014, 08:43:58 AM »
Kinda like the Mayor of Prosser!  Who claims to be a "hunter" but supports YES on 594 :DOH:
The only good tree, is a stump!

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

MA-10 Coho by WAcoueshunter
[Today at 02:08:31 PM]


KODIAK06 2025 trail cam and personal pics thread by kodiak06
[Today at 01:52:01 PM]


2025 Montana alternate list by Sakko300wsm
[Today at 01:27:16 PM]


Blue Mtn Foothills West Rifle Tag by Trooper
[Today at 01:18:40 PM]


GROUSE 2025...the Season is looming! by Dave Workman
[Today at 01:01:22 PM]


AUCTION: SE Idaho DIY Deer or Deer/Elk Hunt by bearpaw
[Today at 12:02:58 PM]


50 inch SXS and Tracks? by jrebel
[Today at 11:20:33 AM]


Sockeye Numbers by Southpole
[Today at 11:12:46 AM]


3 pintails by metlhead
[Today at 11:07:43 AM]


Modified game cart... 🛒 by Dan-o
[Today at 08:44:37 AM]


Velvet by Brute
[Today at 08:37:08 AM]


Calling Bears by hunter399
[Today at 06:12:44 AM]


HUNTNNW 2025 trail cam thread and photos by kodiak06
[Today at 05:43:11 AM]


Lizard Cam by NOCK NOCK
[Today at 04:48:54 AM]


Pocket Carry by Westside88
[Yesterday at 09:33:35 PM]


2025 Coyotes by JakeLand
[Yesterday at 07:15:03 PM]


Toutle Quality Bull - Rifle by Yeti419
[Yesterday at 06:11:55 PM]


AKC lab puppies! Born 06/10/2025 follow as they grow!!! by scottfrick
[Yesterday at 02:14:23 PM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2025, SimplePortal