Every wonder why the big elk are gone by the time you finally draw a tag?

[frazihunt]

If this bull was shot on the rez, I wonder how the frazier guy got on there.  I didn't know they allowed white people on the rez. Your family supports mdf and rmef, but thinks tribal hunting is ok?  Look what they did to your old stomping grounds up oak creek.

Ben, don't bring my family into this we had nothing to do with the harvesting of this bull. I simply had my picture taken with it. And now some guy thinks it's okay to post that picture on here without my consent is ridiculous. Now rumors are being spread, making people look bad which isn't necessary. I never once said i supported tribal hunting, and even if i do or don't does it really matter? Both parties have their rights and that's how it is plain and simple. Probably going to be like that for some time. I'm well aware of the oak creek situation and you think seeing that heard diminish makes me happy? No, but there's a time and place to bitch about these things and this is neither. 

[Woodchuck]

A little refresher from the forum rules. From the list of no-no's
 - NAME CALLING, ANTAGONIZING, DEMEANING, or BELITTLING other Members
Keep it civil.

[PlateauNDN]

The only one ever getting upset on here is you because you continue to bash and bash without actually having any solid info. I don't care if you post something about tribal members hunting just get the story straight and don't act like a little kid just because someone questions the legitimacy of your accusations. 

I haven't killed anything this past season though its not from a lack of effort just had many factors that outweighed taking any game. Dont worry this year ill be sure to post what area im in amd get as much proof about my location but im sure youll still claim i wasnt in the area I said iI was in.

So just to get clarity, you would not take your business to anybody that did work for tribal members???

So if I drew a goat tag or ram tag and took it to ........let's say Charlie's taxidermy or all that's wild or any one of the members on here because they do such great work you wouldn't use them ever??? Wow  is all I can say so if I ever got one of those tags because believe it or not we have to apply andget drawn for one of those animals in iI'llbe sure not to post which taxi iIuse to spare them your ridicule.

[MADMAX]

Everytime one of these native bashing posts starts it reminds me of this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22iBK4osDr0

[Time Immemorial]

The only one ever getting upset on here is you because you continue to bash and bash without actually having any solid info. I don't care if you post something about tribal members hunting just get the story straight and don't act like a little kid just because someone questions the legitimacy of your accusations. 

I haven't killed anything this past season though its not from a lack of effort just had many factors that outweighed taking any game. Dont worry this year ill be sure to post what area im in amd get as much proof about my location but im sure youll still claim i wasnt in the area I said iI was in.

So just to get clarity, you would not take your business to anybody that did work for tribal members???

So if I drew a goat tag or ram tag and took it to ........let's say Charlie's taxidermy or all that's wild or any one of the members on here because they do such great work you wouldn't use them ever??? Wow  is all I can say so if I ever got one of those tags because believe it or not we have to apply andget drawn for one of those animals in iI'llbe sure not to post which taxi iIuse to spare them your ridicule.

Damn Poachers lol

[Tbar]

The taxidermist that profit off those Indian bulls are a big part of the problem ! no saying this guy is just saying .... That Why I use Ric . He is slow but ethical 

Ric doesn't mount tribal bulls?

[frazierw]

I don't see how taking a picture of a bull is supporting native hunting?  Could you clarify please?

[frazierw]

Btw if you're so honest and open, who sent you the picture?

[Tbar]

This thread is ridiculous.  The OP is bordering on slander by posting a picture of someone he doesnt know, with a bull he knows nothing about.  This thread should be deleted.

. With all due respect, calling the OP a liar just because somebody else has a different story doesn't make much sense.  I missed where there was PROOF EITHER WAY on where and who killed this bull.  I'm not siding one way or the other but its an unfair assumption on who has the correct story when its purely a he said she said kind of thing.

Are you(open question) okay with someone posting a picture of you or an animal you legally harvested?  Then take it a step further and paint you (or your animal with someone else) in a negative light? You would be fine with all the unfounded accusations and bashing directed at you and your legally harvested animal?  I know I would not but it's commonplace on this site and unfortunate. Any time it's tribal it's accusatory and negative here.
These are open questions to anyone not trying to single anyone out, put yourself in the hunters shoes. If you want to talk politics and inequity then start a thread about your differing opinions on tribal hunting, don't single out an animal or individual without being willing to cite your facts and sources. I'm not calling anyone a liar but there are multiple members citing specifics on where the bull was killed and the op only makes ambiguous generalizations and refuses to provide any specifics.  I agree this thread should be deleted or the op should come clean with proof of his accusations.

Tbar I would not tell you where any elk was killed for all I know you would use that info to know where to go look for big bulls yourself or to tell your Indian friends!  I didn't say anything bad about the guy.   And for the record I have been bashed here before I was a member and accused of helping poach Nail benders Bulls in 2009.  There was the so many rumors about the gut pile being checked by game wardens, party hunting, shooting it the night before the season, us using a group of people to follow the bull for days, shooting it in a closed unit, on and on even wasting it.  So yes I do know how it is to be rumored over a large bull people get jealous.  But thing is you can shoot any bull while we are trying to grow the herd and keep all the Bulls from being killed and Indians do their damn best to shoot as many as possible.  Not to mention many other times on this site.  I know enough that all the Indians on here don't like being called out for their shooting of bulls so If I see one killed I will post it.

The irony within this post!
If you are trying to grow the herd as you state please provide some scientific info.  Herd status, ratios, trends, anything that's factual.

[jackelope]

This hot mess is locked.