2015 Assault weapons ban of 2015.....ITS BACK!

[actionshooter]

Here is a new House Bil, 4269,l introduced that makes the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 look like a parking infraction.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text

[Lucky1]

The idiots will never give up. 

[Boss .300 winmag]

 

[SemperFidelis97]

This will fail, once again the left is just trying to appease their base by throwing feel good legislation up for a vote.  It is a good reminder though that though some of us feel as if we don't have much say in the who goes into the oval office we do have a much better chance to elect pro-gun Congressmen who can put a stop to garbage like this bill.

[JimmyHoffa]

Set up by the Dems.  I think they know it won't pass, but need to try in the lead up for the election.  Then they will scream and cry about the R's and the NRA not making things safe. 

[Dan-o]

I have two competing theories about this, and I'm not sure which one I believe more:

1.  The libs know that a winning tactic is to keep putting stuff up for votes.   Some of it passes, and even the stuff that doesn't pass makes an impact by slowly chewing away at the foundation of the 2nd amendment.

2.  The firearms manufacturing association plants these pieces of legislation to keep gun sales going......   You know Obama has sold more AR-15's than about everyone else combined......

[actionshooter]

 I really hope nothing like this could pass, but as screwed up as things have been the last few years, it has to be taken seriously....

[Elkaholic daWg]

A BILL

To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
 SECTION 1. Short title.


This Act may be cited as the “Assault Weapons Ban of 2015”.


 Sure as hell screams infringement from the get GO!!!!

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Someone help me out here.  How did sawed off shotguns get banned but assault rifles are still legal?  I can't figure out how that ever got passed?

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[Bob33]

Someone help me out here.  How did sawed off shotguns get banned but assault rifles are still legal?  I can't figure out how that ever got passed?

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Short barreled shotguns were made illegal in the 1930s, long before "assault rifles" became commonplace.

[CAMPMEAT]

We, the public can't own ASSAULT rifles. We might be able to own scary looking BLACK hunting rifles though.....

[Jarhead Chase]

That list read like a shopping list for me.

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[CAMPMEAT]

By definition, an assault rifle must have a " selective fire switch ", otherwise, our BLACK GUNS are hunting rifles, plain and simple. The liberal leftist, most likely coined that assault rifle phrase years ago to get a rise out of the sheeple, who know absolutely nothing about weapons, period.

[Blacktail Sniper]

By definition, an assault rifle must have a " selective fire switch ", otherwise, our BLACK GUNS are hunting rifles, plain and simple. The liberal leftist, most likely coined that assault rifle phrase years ago to get a rise out of the sheeple, who know absolutely nothing about weapons, period.

Not if they redefine the definition of an assault rifle, which it looks like that is eaxctly what they plan to do:

"“(36) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

“(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:

“(i) A pistol grip.

“(ii) A forward grip.

“(iii) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.

“(iv) A grenade launcher or rocket launcher.

“(v) A barrel shroud.

“(vi) A threaded barrel."

[Boss .300 winmag]

Don't all rifles have threaded barrels?

[Blacktail Sniper]

Don't all rifles have threaded barrels?

No they do not, as a matter of fact, there are barrels of all things, belonging to the dreaded and scary, AR-15, that are not threaded on either end.

One example here:

[SCRUBS]

I guess we will see where the beloved R`s stand on this

[Boss .300 winmag]

Don't all rifles have threaded barrels?

No they do not, as a matter of fact, there are barrels of all things, belonging to the dreaded and scary, AR-15, that are not threaded on either end.

One example here:

What holds it a snap ring?

[JimmyHoffa]

some use a collet, sometimes screwed sometimes spring tension.  Unscrew/pull back--drop in barrel--screw tight/release.

[DaveMonti]

It's simple.  Pavlov says everyone should now go out and buy every firearm, round of ammo, and component of each that exists.  I do believe there is something to #2 above in Dan-o's post.  A lot of something at that. 

[JimmyHoffa]

Someone help me out here.  How did sawed off shotguns get banned but assault rifles are still legal?  I can't figure out how that ever got passed?

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At the time of the NFA of 1934, it focused on sawed off shotguns (shot barreled) and sub-machineguns (tommy guns).  The news media of the time was trying to freak everyone out about gangsters and bank robbers during prohibition/great depression.  All the semi-autos stayed legal.  Actual assault rifles didn't come about until halfway through WWII.  The assault weapons were regulated in 1986.  But the look a likes were next on the list and are now being called 'assault rifles'.

[Blacktail Sniper]

Don't all rifles have threaded barrels?

No they do not, as a matter of fact, there are barrels of all things, belonging to the dreaded and scary, AR-15, that are not threaded on either end.

One example here:

What holds it a snap ring?

Am quite sure you are aware, but in case you are being serious, AR barrels are not threaded into the upper receiver, like, say a Winchester or Remington.

Receiver on an AR is threaded and the barrel is secured with a barrel nut, no threads on the back of the barrel present or required to mount it. 

And in a few cases, there are no threads on the front either for flash hider, suppressor, etc., as the one pictured.

[Boss .300 winmag]

Don't all rifles have threaded barrels?

No they do not, as a matter of fact, there are barrels of all things, belonging to the dreaded and scary, AR-15, that are not threaded on either end.

One example here:

What holds it a snap ring?

Am quite sure you are aware, but in case you are being serious, AR barrels are not threaded into the upper receiver, like, say a Winchester or Remington.

Receiver on an AR is threaded and the barrel is secured with a barrel nut, no threads on the back of the barrel present or required to mount it. 

And in a few cases, there are no threads on the front either for flash hider, suppressor, etc., as the one pictured.

I've never owned one so how would I know. 

[Blacktail Sniper]

That is why I said, if you are being serious, then tried to explain.

Have added pictures that hopefully show what I was saying.

You should get one, they are fun to put together and more fun to shoot, Merry Christmas!!

[Shank]

If the AR platform is banned, then does that mean law enforcement, doesn't get them either... Because we all know once they are banned. No one will have them. So no need for the LEO to have them either right......

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[JimmyHoffa]

If the AR platform is banned, then does that mean law enforcement, doesn't get them either... Because we all know once they are banned. No one will have them. So no need for the LEO to have them either right......

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There would still be grandfathered rifles, but from that bill text--retired LEOs could still get new versions if they left the service in good standing.  Military wasn't exempt, but police were.

[Boss .300 winmag]

If the AR platform is banned, then does that mean law enforcement, doesn't get them either... Because we all know once they are banned. No one will have them. So no need for the LEO to have them either right......

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There would still be grandfathered rifles, but from that bill text--retired LEOs could still get new versions if they left the service in good standing.  Military wasn't exempt, but police were.

That's crap! 

[JimmyHoffa]

If the AR platform is banned, then does that mean law enforcement, doesn't get them either... Because we all know once they are banned. No one will have them. So no need for the LEO to have them either right......

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There would still be grandfathered rifles, but from that bill text--retired LEOs could still get new versions if they left the service in good standing.  Military wasn't exempt, but police were.

That's crap! 

Exempt for rifles and magazines

“(4) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—

“(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving a firearm, of a semiautomatic assault weapon—


“(i) sold or transferred to the individual by the agency upon such retirement; or



“(ii) that the individual purchased, or otherwise obtained, for official use before such retirement;

“(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving ammunition, of a large capacity ammunition feeding device—


“(i) sold or transferred to the individual by the agency upon such retirement; or



“(ii) that the individual purchased, or otherwise obtained, for official use before such retirement;

[Shank]

If the AR platform is banned, then does that mean law enforcement, doesn't get them either... Because we all know once they are banned. No one will have them. So no need for the LEO to have them either right......

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There would still be grandfathered rifles, but from that bill text--retired LEOs could still get new versions if they left the service in good standing.  Military wasn't exempt, but police were.

That's crap! 

Exempt for rifles and magazines

“(4) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—

“(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving a firearm, of a semiautomatic assault weapon—


“(i) sold or transferred to the individual by the agency upon such retirement; or



“(ii) that the individual purchased, or otherwise obtained, for official use before such retirement;

“(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving ammunition, of a large capacity ammunition feeding device—


“(i) sold or transferred to the individual by the agency upon such retirement; or



“(ii) that the individual purchased, or otherwise obtained, for official use before such retirement;

Lol
Soooo, really its not a ban, just selective on who can own/purchase....seems fair:

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[actionshooter]

Make your voice heard..... sign the petition

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-assault-weapons-ban-2015-proposed-congressman-david-cicilline

[SemperFidelis97]

Signed

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[JJB11B]

signed

[SemperFidelis97]

Bump for more signatures

[HardCorpsHuntr]

simple to do

[EmeraldBullet]

Maybe I should join law enforcement just in case...just threw up a little in my mouth...

[csaaphill]

beat me to it lol, but I started a thread on off topics on this as well.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text

[csaaphill]

I have two competing theories about this, and I'm not sure which one I believe more:

1.  The libs know that a winning tactic is to keep putting stuff up for votes.   Some of it passes, and even the stuff that doesn't pass makes an impact by slowly chewing away at the foundation of the 2nd amendment.

2.  The firearms manufacturing association plants these pieces of legislation to keep gun sales going......   You know Obama has sold more AR-15's than about everyone else combined......

#1 is more correct

[csaaphill]

Someone help me out here.  How did sawed off shotguns get banned but assault rifles are still legal?  I can't figure out how that ever got passed?

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At the time of the NFA of 1934, it focused on sawed off shotguns (shot barreled) and sub-machineguns (tommy guns).  The news media of the time was trying to freak everyone out about gangsters and bank robbers during prohibition/great depression.  All the semi-autos stayed legal.  Actual assault rifles didn't come about until halfway through WWII.  The assault weapons were regulated in 1986.  But the look a likes were next on the list and are now being called 'assault rifles'.

yeah and thing is, that The reason for the machine gun ban back then was because of the ST Valentines day Massacre which was several years before they even passed the NFA act.
Which was about a year or two after Prohibition was repealed so the need to ban machine guns was null at the time Go figure 

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Someone help me out here.  How did sawed off shotguns get banned but assault rifles are still legal?  I can't figure out how that ever got passed?

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At the time of the NFA of 1934, it focused on sawed off shotguns (shot barreled) and sub-machineguns (tommy guns).  The news media of the time was trying to freak everyone out about gangsters and bank robbers during prohibition/great depression.  All the semi-autos stayed legal.  Actual assault rifles didn't come about until halfway through WWII.  The assault weapons were regulated in 1986.  But the look a likes were next on the list and are now being called 'assault rifles'.

yeah and thing is, that The reason for the machine gun ban back then was because of the ST Valentines day Massacre which was several years before they even passed the NFA act.
Which was about a year or two after Prohibition was repealed so the need to ban machine guns was null at the time Go figure 

So a mass shooting led to a ban. Hmmmmm

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[csaaphill]

Someone help me out here.  How did sawed off shotguns get banned but assault rifles are still legal?  I can't figure out how that ever got passed?

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At the time of the NFA of 1934, it focused on sawed off shotguns (shot barreled) and sub-machineguns (tommy guns).  The news media of the time was trying to freak everyone out about gangsters and bank robbers during prohibition/great depression.  All the semi-autos stayed legal.  Actual assault rifles didn't come about until halfway through WWII.  The assault weapons were regulated in 1986.  But the look a likes were next on the list and are now being called 'assault rifles'.

yeah and thing is, that The reason for the machine gun ban back then was because of the ST Valentines day Massacre which was several years before they even passed the NFA act.
Which was about a year or two after Prohibition was repealed so the need to ban machine guns was null at the time Go figure 

So a mass shooting led to a ban. Hmmmmm

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technically no Prohibition lead to crime which lead to a mass shooting, which late lead to a gun ban. But correctly though it wasn't a complete ban just you had to get a stamp before owning one. Of which if you notice more laws gun laws basically have lead to more shootings, which have lead to more gun laws which have lead to more shootings.
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[pianoman9701]

This will go away.