Bull elk poached

[pianoman9701]

Its poaching in my eyes.

This.  Time to start DNA sampling.  This remnant of reservation racism needs to end.

It's called a treaty and it was ratified by mostly white male senators. If you have a problem with the treaty, take it to the US Senate. There's nothing you can do otherwise. You can't impose new restrictions. You can't require DNA stamping. You can't come up with arbitrary limits. It has to be changed by the Federal government in conjunction with the affected tribes. You'd better get started. It'll likely take forever.

[gonehuntin68]

Yeah 200 years ago. I think times are a little different now. Things won't change as long as natives keep the senitors pockets full.

[Sakko300wsm]

Well our so called government is changing the Declaration of Independence without an issue , should be able to change some treaty rights haha!! First thing we need to do is change the government imo!

[Coastal_native]

Changing the Declaration of Independence?  Wait, wait, wait.  Are we going back under the rule of Great Britain?

[PlateauNDN]

Changing the Declaration of Independence?  Wait, wait, wait.  Are we going back under the rule of Great Britain?

I think Britain is taking a page from us and Declaring their Independence. 

[Coastal_native]

Seriously Plat.  I'm not the best at keeping up on current events, but this is the first I've heard of changes to the declaration of independence.  These tribal hunting threads have really gone a different direction from what I remember way back in 2010 when I was a huntwa whippersnapper.

[PlateauNDN]

   hey, I'll take my share of the derailments, but I can't help it...The Declaration is a 200 yr old document that needs to be updated. Legally taken big game is by far more dangerous than any illegal activity committed against the U.S.

Heck, Hillary needs to get in - line because this has precedent. And it is almost barely nearly closely as  the BF thread. 

[pianoman9701]

Well our so called government is changing the Declaration of Independence without an issue , should be able to change some treaty rights haha!! First thing we need to do is change the government imo!

The Declaration of Independence has remained unchanged since July 4th, 1776. Maybe you mean the Constitution. In that case, the Constitution has only been changed when Amendments have been ratified by 2/3s of the states. The last time was on May 7th, 1992, when the 27th Amendment was passed. It makes Congressional salary changes voted in by Congress not take effect until the next election.

The fact that some seek to limit our existing rights doesn't mean the Constitution has been changed. It means those people don't understand what it says.

[pianoman9701]

Yeah 200 years ago. I think times are a little different now. Things won't change as long as natives keep the senitors pockets full.

Most of the treaties that exist now for us in the West are less than 100 years old. Regardless of how old, they've been passed by Congress and signed by the President. Treaties are a promise by the US to the other party(s) that we'll keep our word on an agreement. My point is that getting mad at the Indians for acting within the limits of treaties that whites passed is like getting mad at a cop because he caught you breaking the law. 

[gonehuntin68]

I just don't think it's right that a person can hunt and another cant because of the color of there skin.

[gonehuntin68]

Nobody today had anything to to with that.

[Coastal_native]

I just don't think it's right that a person can hunt and another cant because of the color of there skin.

It definitely seems contrary to other U.S. policy when taken at face value, but if you consider the fact that there are plenty of fair skinned, blonde haired, blue eye, descendents of treaty signers out hunting under the authority of treaty tribes, you'll realize that this has little to do with race.

[pianoman9701]

Don't forget that when we signed these perpetual treaties, the US government was getting the better deal. We manipulated the Tribes so we could control them without having to use the military and have them govern themselves. The US government wasn't giving anything away without getting more in return. And regardless of the fact that none of us were there when we signed them, we're still bound to honor them, just like the treaties we signed with Mexico, Canada, England, France, and dozens of others that were signed hundreds of years ago.

[arees]

Don't forget that when we signed these perpetual treaties, the US government was getting the better deal. We manipulated the Tribes so we could control them without having to use the military and have them govern themselves. The US government wasn't giving anything away without getting more in return. And regardless of the fact that none of us were there when we signed them, we're still bound to honor them, just like the treaties we signed with Mexico, Canada, England, France, and dozens of others that were signed hundreds of years ago.

I never thought that going back on your word was an American value that we aspire to.  The country has done it before, but it is not something we are supposed to be proud of.  Our country signed a treaty.  We can argue about what the treaty says, but we shouldn't just say "too bad, I don't care what our forefathers said, we are canceling the deal."  How long after you give your word is it ok to break your word?

[gonehuntin68]

Huh, I guess I'm the only one who is bothered by it.