Poll- non magnifying scopes on muzzle loaders?

[JimmyHoffa]

what muzzy do you have?

Great Plains Rifle in .54 cal
Some years I'm about to toss it in the river, but instead go modern for a couple seasons with something else for range and reliability and a scope.

[Oh Mah]

not gonna wait for you to reply BLM heres the punchline for all you.TRADITIONALLY SCOPES ON MUZZIES WAS LEGAL.All the way up until they put it in the rules that you could not! 

[Karl Blanchard]

not gonna wait for you to reply BLM heres the punchline for all you.TRADITIONALLY SCOPES ON MUZZIES WAS LEGAL.All the way up until they put it in the rules that you could not! 

    trivia question.  What year did washington establish a designated muzzleloader season? 

[Oh Mah]

WA. didn't even become a state for 50 years after first scope on rifle so.Tell us when did the first muzzy season get established in WA.?

[Jonathan_S]

What?

[Oh Mah]

can you hear me now?

[Brushbuster]

I've thought a lot about this thread today & decided to vote yes.

The vast majority of states allow scopes on muzzleloader only hunts & they still get hunting seasons. There are only about a dozen states that don't allow them. I believe it's just a matter of time before WA realizes it can no longer continue to force hunters who need scopes to hunt in modern rifle seasons or not at all. We need more people in our sport not less. 

[Oh Mah]

  gonna quote Jonathan here   perzackly

[Karl Blanchard]

WA. didn't even become a state for 50 years after first scope on rifle so.Tell us when did the first muzzy season get established in WA.?

I have no idea.  That's why I asked.

[Karl Blanchard]

I've thought a lot about this thread today & decided to vote yes.

The vast majority of states allow scopes on muzzleloader only hunts & they still get hunting seasons. There are only about a dozen states that don't allow them. I believe it's just a matter of time before WA realizes it can no longer continue to force hunters who need scopes to hunt in modern rifle seasons or not at all. We need more people in our sport not less. 

apples to oranges.  Some of those states don't even have a rifle season and are so overrun with whitetails they are pulling their hair out trying to kill enough of them.  Almost every single western state DOES NOT allow scopes during a designated muzzleloader season.  Can't compare east west.

[Jonathan_S]

I've thought a lot about this thread today & decided to vote yes.

The vast majority of states allow scopes on muzzleloader only hunts & they still get hunting seasons. There are only about a dozen states that don't allow them. I believe it's just a matter of time before WA realizes it can no longer continue to force hunters who need scopes to hunt in modern rifle seasons or not at all. We need more people in our sport not less. 

Many states have season until January too. That's beside the point though because many of those muzzleloading seasons are replacing bottleneck cartridges. Literally because they aren't allowed to use powerful rifles. Like the whole state is a firearms restricted area.

Hunter recruitment is huge no doubt, I don't see it being altered by optics on muzzleloading rifles.

gonna quote Jonathan here   perzackly

That's all @cryder baby. I can't take credit

[JimmyHoffa]

WA. didn't even become a state for 50 years after first scope on rifle so.Tell us when did the first muzzy season get established in WA.?

I have no idea.  That's why I asked.

For some reason I keep thinking archery didn't get a separate season until the late 70's (77?) and muzzleloader was not long after.  Too many 'turret gunners with missile launchers' running around to actually hunt the gear correctly.  Also, think there were four times as many people in the woods in those days.

[Oh Mah]

OK,LOL. so it doesn't matter,what does matter is all the statements from people wishing to keep it traditional.Well what is traditional about it at all?
1)WA. became a state in 1889

2)scopes were invented in 1835-1840

3)first cartridge invented in 1829.

4)Pyrodex 1975

5)etc.etc

So what is it that the the people against this do that the people for it would do that is more or less traditional?

[Oh Mah]

I've thought a lot about this thread today & decided to vote yes.

The vast majority of states allow scopes on muzzleloader only hunts & they still get hunting seasons. There are only about a dozen states that don't allow them. I believe it's just a matter of time before WA realizes it can no longer continue to force hunters who need scopes to hunt in modern rifle seasons or not at all. We need more people in our sport not less. 

Many states have season until January too. That's beside the point though because many of those muzzleloading seasons are replacing bottleneck cartridges. Literally because they aren't allowed to use powerful rifles. Like the whole state is a firearms restricted area.

Hunter recruitment is huge no doubt, I don't see it being altered by optics on muzzleloading rifles.

gonna quote Jonathan here   perzackly

That's all @cryder baby. I can't take credit

You are the one that typed perzackly

[Karl Blanchard]

The weapon itself is still very primitive.  I'm not shooting my in line any farther than my old 48 twist hawkens.  Still load it from the front, one shot at a time.  Still using open sights.  Breech is still exposed to the elements.   Still using a percussion style cap.  It's a primitive weapon despite its modern look.