The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails

[farmin4u_98948]

I was at Crane Hotsprings which is where the outlaw ranchers were meeting south of Burns a week after Leroy Finicum was killed. Heard story after story of how the federal govt was making ranching impossible. Documented accounts of how they changed grazing leases mid lease. Drastically changing the AUM. Forcing ranchers to sell because they couldn’t afford to feed hay. To ranch you have to know how many animals the land can support. You have loans to buy animals and equipment. Then when you loose your lease or have the AUM drastically changed it puts you into a huge crisis.   Just as many hunters feel that the game Dept is not acting in your interests so is the same feeling towards the feds by ranchers. There is a huge anti hunting and anti ranching climate in the federal govt.

LaVoy was assassinated, not killed.

I'm sorry. But if LaVoy had just done what he was told.  Not get out of the vehicle. Not walked toward law enforcement. LaVoy acted out of control. I'm not saying he was right or wrong.  I'm saying his actions helped escalate the unfortunate event. I saw the last video of him very animated saying he was prepared to die. I stopped at where he died. The tracks were still in the snow.

[h20hunter]

Was not murdered nor assassinated.  He was another coward that committed suicide by cop.

[huntnfmly]

I was at Crane Hotsprings which is where the outlaw ranchers were meeting south of Burns a week after Leroy Finicum was killed. Heard story after story of how the federal govt was making ranching impossible. Documented accounts of how they changed grazing leases mid lease. Drastically changing the AUM. Forcing ranchers to sell because they couldn’t afford to feed hay. To ranch you have to know how many animals the land can support. You have loans to buy animals and equipment. Then when you loose your lease or have the AUM drastically changed it puts you into a huge crisis.   Just as many hunters feel that the game Dept is not acting in your interests so is the same feeling towards the feds by ranchers. There is a huge anti hunting and anti ranching climate in the federal govt.

LaVoy was assassinated, not killed.

I'm sorry. But if LaVoy had just done what he was told.  Not get out of the vehicle. Not walked toward law enforcement. LaVoy acted out of control. I'm not saying he was right or wrong.  I'm saying his actions helped escalate the unfortunate event. I saw the last video of him very animated saying he was prepared to die. I stopped at where he died. The tracks were still in the snow.

Very hard for lavoy to do what he was told they started shooting at the truck as soon as he came around the corner.
If he hadn't gotten out of the truck everybody else in there would be dead also.

[h20hunter]

Speculation. How about don't try and run over an officer of the law.

[huntnfmly]

Lol good one.  They were shooting at the truck when it first came around corner anyways This has already been discussed on the other lavoy topic and since I only use my phone and only a 1 finger typer  😂I have to refer to all I've posted over there

[CAMPMEAT]

It's no wonder people get convicted for crimes they didn't commit. They don't or won't see the evidence that is presented. This is why the Bundy's got off, innocent of all charges.

[bigtex]

It's no wonder people get convicted for crimes they didn't commit. They don't or won't see the evidence that is presented. This is why the Bundy's got off, innocent of all charges.

They were not found innocent, they were not found guilty, they were not acquitted. The case was dismissed. Legally there is a big difference.

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[CAMPMEAT]

It's no wonder people get convicted for crimes they didn't commit. They don't or won't see the evidence that is presented. This is why the Bundy's got off, innocent of all charges.

They were not found innocent, they were not found guilty, they were not acquitted. The case was dismissed. Legally there is a big difference.

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They were not found innocent, which means guilty then. They were not found guilty, which means innocent then. They were not acquitted,  means they get off of the charges. The case was dismissed, which means innocent. Please explain all the differences and not, well, it's supposed to mean, XXXX. I want specifics of law.

[PlateauNDN]

Their was land in question. It doesn't matter if they were guilty or innocent, if the government wants your land they'll take it. History proves this fact. 

[Dan-o]

I was at Crane Hotsprings which is where the outlaw ranchers were meeting south of Burns a week after Leroy Finicum was killed. Heard story after story of how the federal govt was making ranching impossible. Documented accounts of how they changed grazing leases mid lease. Drastically changing the AUM. Forcing ranchers to sell because they couldn’t afford to feed hay. To ranch you have to know how many animals the land can support. You have loans to buy animals and equipment. Then when you loose your lease or have the AUM drastically changed it puts you into a huge crisis.   Just as many hunters feel that the game Dept is not acting in your interests so is the same feeling towards the feds by ranchers. There is a huge anti hunting and anti ranching climate in the federal govt.

LaVoy was assassinated, not killed.

I'm sorry. But if LaVoy had just done what he was told.  Not get out of the vehicle. Not walked toward law enforcement. LaVoy acted out of control. I'm not saying he was right or wrong.  I'm saying his actions helped escalate the unfortunate event. I saw the last video of him very animated saying he was prepared to die. I stopped at where he died. The tracks were still in the snow.

Very hard for lavoy to do what he was told they started shooting at the truck as soon as he came around the corner.
If he hadn't gotten out of the truck everybody else in there would be dead also.

Umm....   No.

Lavoy was ranting about not being taken alive and basically yelling at the cops begging them to shoot him when they pulled him over.

Had he not fled, and then had he not jumped out of his truck.....   He'd be alive.

He was out of control.   Period.

[PlateauNDN]

Quit bringing logic into this dan-o.

[huntnfmly]

I was at Crane Hotsprings which is where the outlaw ranchers were meeting south of Burns a week after Leroy Finicum was killed. Heard story after story of how the federal govt was making ranching impossible. Documented accounts of how they changed grazing leases mid lease. Drastically changing the AUM. Forcing ranchers to sell because they couldn’t afford to feed hay. To ranch you have to know how many animals the land can support. You have loans to buy animals and equipment. Then when you loose your lease or have the AUM drastically changed it puts you into a huge crisis.   Just as many hunters feel that the game Dept is not acting in your interests so is the same feeling towards the feds by ranchers. There is a huge anti hunting and anti ranching climate in the federal govt.

LaVoy was assassinated, not killed.

I'm sorry. But if LaVoy had just done what he was told.  Not get out of the vehicle. Not walked toward law enforcement. LaVoy acted out of control. I'm not saying he was right or wrong.  I'm saying his actions helped escalate the unfortunate event. I saw the last video of him very animated saying he was prepared to die. I stopped at where he died. The tracks were still in the snow.

Very hard for lavoy to do what he was told they started shooting at the truck as soon as he came around the corner.
If he hadn't gotten out of the truck everybody else in there would be dead also.

Umm....   No.

Lavoy was ranting about not being taken alive and basically yelling at the cops begging them to shoot him when they pulled him over.

Had he not fled, and then had he not jumped out of his truck.....   He'd be alive.

He was out of control.   Period.

Dano I don't consider what he was doing as fleeing I know you and others will he was going to see the sheriff.    Period
He jumped out of the truck because they were already shooting at them.  Period
The only people out of control were the FBI and osp. That murdered him and would of killed everybody else in the truck if he had stayed in it.  Period

[Dan-o]

I was at Crane Hotsprings which is where the outlaw ranchers were meeting south of Burns a week after Leroy Finicum was killed. Heard story after story of how the federal govt was making ranching impossible. Documented accounts of how they changed grazing leases mid lease. Drastically changing the AUM. Forcing ranchers to sell because they couldn’t afford to feed hay. To ranch you have to know how many animals the land can support. You have loans to buy animals and equipment. Then when you loose your lease or have the AUM drastically changed it puts you into a huge crisis.   Just as many hunters feel that the game Dept is not acting in your interests so is the same feeling towards the feds by ranchers. There is a huge anti hunting and anti ranching climate in the federal govt.

LaVoy was assassinated, not killed.

I'm sorry. But if LaVoy had just done what he was told.  Not get out of the vehicle. Not walked toward law enforcement. LaVoy acted out of control. I'm not saying he was right or wrong.  I'm saying his actions helped escalate the unfortunate event. I saw the last video of him very animated saying he was prepared to die. I stopped at where he died. The tracks were still in the snow.

Very hard for lavoy to do what he was told they started shooting at the truck as soon as he came around the corner.
If he hadn't gotten out of the truck everybody else in there would be dead also.

Umm....   No.

Lavoy was ranting about not being taken alive and basically yelling at the cops begging them to shoot him when they pulled him over.

Had he not fled, and then had he not jumped out of his truck.....   He'd be alive.

He was out of control.   Period.

Dano I don't consider what he was doing as fleeing I know you and others will he was going to see the sheriff.    Period
He jumped out of the truck because they were already shooting at them.  Period
The only people out of control were the FBI and osp. That murdered him and would of killed everybody else in the truck if he had stayed in it.  Period

I guess I'll just agree to disagree.

As far as I'm concerned, he did so many things that caused him to get shot, it's practically a suicide.

I figure you're trying to die if you:
  * Take over a Federal Facility by armed force
  * Wander around telling anyone with a camera that you'll never be taken alive
  * Keep telling people that you won't go down without a fight and that you're prepared to die
  * Flee a lawful stop
  * Speed out of control into a road block
  * Jump out of your car ranting like a lunatic

It boggles my mind that some of you want to make him into a folk hero.

A Black kid in a city pulling these pranks would be called a punk and a thug.

[Dan-o]

Quit bringing logic into this dan-o.

Ruh Roh!

[PlateauNDN]

Dan-o, Indians did exactly that and we were murdered. But he's a folk hero and we were bloody savages being greedy by not sharing our land.