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Quote from: ian_padron on May 01, 2019, 12:46:23 AMPlenty of YouTube videos and articles debunking the virtually non-existent advantage you are claiming. 3.5" shells drop off after 50 yards...at the same rate as a 3".From 20-40 yds, a few extra pellets don't make a difference compared to selecting the right choke, shot size, and accurate shooting.https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/4/18/3-12-inch-turkey-loads-worth-the-recoil/Every gun/shell combo I have patterned has generated similar results to the authors, waterfowl and turkey loads. Given the new tungsten and bismuth shot materials available, the already weak argument for 3.5" shells has become laughable.Quote from: konradcountry on April 23, 2019, 08:36:28 AMQuote from: ian_padron on April 21, 2019, 09:17:08 PMWhy on Earth do people shoot 3 and 1/2 inch shells? Ballistically, a 3 inch shell out of a 12 gauge with a good forcing cone will do the same exact thing and burn way less powder and kick a whole lot less.No it will not do the exact same thing. A 3.5 inch shell has more pellets which improves the pattern at longer ranges. @EWUeagles Unfortunately I didn't use a 3.5 on the turkey I got last week. Had a problem with my 3.5 gun so I took the 3" semi and nailed a turkey a 15 yards. Was hoping to get a 50 or 60 yard shot for you Hopefully I can go again this season.Sent from my LG-H872 using TapatalkThe article you cite shows the 3.5 did better at 40 and 50 yards and does not even identify what choke the author used. Chokes obviously make a huge difference in range and patterns. The article is germane to only one gun with an unidentified choke and thus qualifies as junk science and is worthless in proving your opinion.
Plenty of YouTube videos and articles debunking the virtually non-existent advantage you are claiming. 3.5" shells drop off after 50 yards...at the same rate as a 3".From 20-40 yds, a few extra pellets don't make a difference compared to selecting the right choke, shot size, and accurate shooting.https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/4/18/3-12-inch-turkey-loads-worth-the-recoil/Every gun/shell combo I have patterned has generated similar results to the authors, waterfowl and turkey loads. Given the new tungsten and bismuth shot materials available, the already weak argument for 3.5" shells has become laughable.Quote from: konradcountry on April 23, 2019, 08:36:28 AMQuote from: ian_padron on April 21, 2019, 09:17:08 PMWhy on Earth do people shoot 3 and 1/2 inch shells? Ballistically, a 3 inch shell out of a 12 gauge with a good forcing cone will do the same exact thing and burn way less powder and kick a whole lot less.No it will not do the exact same thing. A 3.5 inch shell has more pellets which improves the pattern at longer ranges. @EWUeagles Unfortunately I didn't use a 3.5 on the turkey I got last week. Had a problem with my 3.5 gun so I took the 3" semi and nailed a turkey a 15 yards. Was hoping to get a 50 or 60 yard shot for you Hopefully I can go again this season.Sent from my LG-H872 using Tapatalk
Quote from: ian_padron on April 21, 2019, 09:17:08 PMWhy on Earth do people shoot 3 and 1/2 inch shells? Ballistically, a 3 inch shell out of a 12 gauge with a good forcing cone will do the same exact thing and burn way less powder and kick a whole lot less.No it will not do the exact same thing. A 3.5 inch shell has more pellets which improves the pattern at longer ranges. @EWUeagles Unfortunately I didn't use a 3.5 on the turkey I got last week. Had a problem with my 3.5 gun so I took the 3" semi and nailed a turkey a 15 yards. Was hoping to get a 50 or 60 yard shot for you Hopefully I can go again this season.
Why on Earth do people shoot 3 and 1/2 inch shells? Ballistically, a 3 inch shell out of a 12 gauge with a good forcing cone will do the same exact thing and burn way less powder and kick a whole lot less.
Quote from: Pegasus on May 01, 2019, 06:58:09 AMQuote from: ian_padron on May 01, 2019, 12:46:23 AMPlenty of YouTube videos and articles debunking the virtually non-existent advantage you are claiming. 3.5" shells drop off after 50 yards...at the same rate as a 3".From 20-40 yds, a few extra pellets don't make a difference compared to selecting the right choke, shot size, and accurate shooting.https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/4/18/3-12-inch-turkey-loads-worth-the-recoil/Every gun/shell combo I have patterned has generated similar results to the authors, waterfowl and turkey loads. Given the new tungsten and bismuth shot materials available, the already weak argument for 3.5" shells has become laughable.Quote from: konradcountry on April 23, 2019, 08:36:28 AMQuote from: ian_padron on April 21, 2019, 09:17:08 PMWhy on Earth do people shoot 3 and 1/2 inch shells? Ballistically, a 3 inch shell out of a 12 gauge with a good forcing cone will do the same exact thing and burn way less powder and kick a whole lot less.No it will not do the exact same thing. A 3.5 inch shell has more pellets which improves the pattern at longer ranges. @EWUeagles Unfortunately I didn't use a 3.5 on the turkey I got last week. Had a problem with my 3.5 gun so I took the 3" semi and nailed a turkey a 15 yards. Was hoping to get a 50 or 60 yard shot for you Hopefully I can go again this season.Sent from my LG-H872 using TapatalkThe article you cite shows the 3.5 did better at 40 and 50 yards and does not even identify what choke the author used. Chokes obviously make a huge difference in range and patterns. The article is germane to only one gun with an unidentified choke and thus qualifies as junk science and is worthless in proving your opinion.I posted 1 article.Feel free to dig around and watch the exact thing I'm talking about happen on YouTube as well.I find it so hilarious when guys cling to their belief that 3.5 inch shells are so superior. The right choke and shell combo plus a shooter who knows what they are doing is 99% of the equation.If you want to pay 50% more per shell, deal with the excessive recoil, all for a occasionally marginal and sometimes negative ballistic advantage...knock yourself out!Sent from my LG-H872 using Tapatalk
The whole 3 vs 3.5 debate reminds me of guys who buy a 300 Remington Ultra Magnum and then tell the guys with a .30-06 that they don't have enough firepower to kill a deer.Entertaining for sure.The OP is going to have a banged-up shoulder so I recommend a more logical choice... and all the 3.5 guys get butthurt LOL I love the internet
For Turkeys I couldn't find any data about efficiency of kill based on range. Can a gun pattern out to 60 yards? Yeah probably but can a hunter hit that 5 out or 8 times? Probably not. Again these are assumptions and I couldn't find any data to back this. I'm also excited for all the BA guys that want to talk about how amazing of a shot they are haha.
Quote from: EWUeagles on May 01, 2019, 07:53:28 AMFor Turkeys I couldn't find any data about efficiency of kill based on range. Can a gun pattern out to 60 yards? Yeah probably but can a hunter hit that 5 out or 8 times? Probably not. Again these are assumptions and I couldn't find any data to back this. I'm also excited for all the BA guys that want to talk about how amazing of a shot they are haha.I think you would be surprised at how consistent you can get with a modern turkey load and matching choke. If you can shoot to 40 consistently with cheap stuff then it doesn't take much more to reach out to 60. I really don't think it is a big deal. With a red dot and a 3.5 shell I would expect 8/8 at 60. That is using a standard turkey target with at least one pellet in the kill zone from standing position using premium ammo. Mossberg 535 with Carlson choke.