Pre - ffl firearm

[scotsman]

Asking for a friend.... let’s say a fella or gal has owned a pistol for 30 something years, bought way before ffl was required. If he / she was to sell or trade it, how would he/ she prove ownership? Would there be any hurdles or hassles?

[Fl0und3rz]

There is nothing to prove.  In WA, now, with current laws, you take the firearm to the FFL, the FFL logs it in, the buyer undergoes the background check, and depending on the firearm, waits or walks with it.

Yes, it is more hassles than before I-594, which requires background checks.  But it is not insurmountable.

[fowl smacker]

Or if it's someone "they" know personally, just do the transaction and call it good. 

[Stein]

No problem, go to an FFL and do the transfer.

[huntnfmly]

Pm sent

[huntnfmly]

Or if it's someone "they" know personally, just do the transaction and call it good. 

I'm no lawyer but I did sleep at a holiday inn express last night and I agree with this post

[TVHunts]

Or if it's someone "they" know personally, just do the transaction and call it good. 

I'm no lawyer but I did sleep at a holiday inn express last night and I agree with this post

 

[Bango skank]

Or if it's someone "they" know personally, just do the transaction and call it good. 

I'm no lawyer but I did sleep at a holiday inn express last night and I agree with this post

 

Yup.  Cant prove it was sold after nov 2014 if it hasnt undergone an ffl transfer since.  Trust the buyer?  Then all is well.  Screw these stupid laws.

[Stein]

It's not too hard to prove to the standard that will get someone in trouble, subpoena the ISP and this website and put that in front of a jury.

If it is used in a crime, there are many ways to figure out where it came from and when. 

A background check is $20-40 in most cases and protects the seller.  When I sell a car, I file the sale notification immediately, same theory for a firearm.

You might be surprised the paper trail that already exists, when I applied for my CPL renewal, I saw the paperwork and was surprised to see a transaction for a pistol I bought in 1998 at the top of the list.

[Lucky1]

It's not too hard to prove to the standard that will get someone in trouble, subpoena the ISP and this website and put that in front of a jury.

If it is used in a crime, there are many ways to figure out where it came from and when. 

A background check is $20-40 in most cases and protects the seller.  When I sell a car, I file the sale notification immediately, same theory for a firearm.

You might be surprised the paper trail that already exists, when I applied for my CPL renewal, I saw the paperwork and was surprised to see a transaction for a pistol I bought in 1998 at the top of the list.

I am under the impression that they are not supposed to keep those records for more than 90 days or something like that. Maybe that’s just the instant check records.

[Oh Mah]

It is a hassle but it is worth it in more ways than 1,with this ffl transfer the buyer can be sure its not a stolen firearm. 

[Stein]

It's not too hard to prove to the standard that will get someone in trouble, subpoena the ISP and this website and put that in front of a jury.

If it is used in a crime, there are many ways to figure out where it came from and when. 

A background check is $20-40 in most cases and protects the seller.  When I sell a car, I file the sale notification immediately, same theory for a firearm.

You might be surprised the paper trail that already exists, when I applied for my CPL renewal, I saw the paperwork and was surprised to see a transaction for a pistol I bought in 1998 at the top of the list.

I am under the impression that they are not supposed to keep those records for more than 90 days or something like that. Maybe that’s just the instant check records.

True.

It's also true that WA can keep tax and other records forever, that's the way it was explained to me.  For rifles, I don't think a list exists.  For pistols, it 100% does.  When a LEO pulls you over and runs your info, he will know what pistols you have purchased back for a long time.

I have seen it on my CPL renewal background check and I have seen it in a ride-along with a LEO.  If you know one, ask and they will confirm.

[fowl smacker]

Just asked my buddy who is a sheriff about this.  This was his reply about knowing an ID checked individuals firearm ownership history.
When you get pulled over and ask for ID.  "We run the ID to make sure of your driving status and to see if you have any warrants.  The fact that you have a valid CPL will also show on your driving return.   We dont get info back on what guns you own."

[Fishmaker57]

Just my personal opinion, but if you own a gun that has never been registered - DON'T SELL IT!!!!

If the liberal, radical, socialist dems get in power, they WILL be coming after any registered gun in the country!

 

[Stein]

Just asked my buddy who is a sheriff about this.  This was his reply about knowing an ID checked individuals firearm ownership history.
When you get pulled over and ask for ID.  "We run the ID to make sure of your driving status and to see if you have any warrants.  The fact that you have a valid CPL will also show on your driving return.   We dont get info back on what guns you own."

Huh, maybe it changed since I had seen it, I saw it on a screen in a police car as well as the background check printout but both were a couple of years ago.  I'll ask if I remember next time I talk with a LEO.

Here is an article that discusses it in 2014:

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/politics-government/election/article25885201.html

One dispute arising in the political fight over Initiative 594’s expansion of background checks is whether it creates a registry of Washington gun owners that could threaten gun rights.

The short answer is no. Washington does not have a gun registry, and I-594 does not create one.

But the state Department of Licensing does maintain a database that includes a permanent record of handgun sales. The state handgun data is kept for use by law enforcement when investigating gun crimes or doing background checks required before sales of new firearms by licensed dealers.

[Lucky1]

Just my personal opinion, but if you own a gun that has never been registered - DON'T SELL IT!!!!

If the liberal, radical, socialist dems get in power, they WILL be coming after any registered gun in the country!

 

There is no registration. (Yet). There is just a record of the gun purchase. I do get your point, but want to make that distinction. I am not going to hide any guns from “them”. They can come and try to take them all if “they” decide that’s what “they” are going to do. I am doing all I can to help get people elected to office that are pro 2A. You should be too!

[ctwiggs1]

Same darn thing. 

They have a record of sale.  Even if it's not a 100% registry, it's still a dangerous database.

[Stein]

Yeah, it's a database, not registry.  You don't have to "register" your firearm, thus it's not a registry, but they keep records of transfers.  Whether there is much of a difference is up for debate for sure.  That said, it's been around for over 20 years at least.

[Jingles]

Unless you own firearms that have been passed down for, as in my case 2, generations, Heck one of mine doesn't even have a serial number and is Patent Pending.