NW tribes drive effort to save primitive fish

[bobcat]

odd question but.. if they are trying to get them on the endangered species list then why are they still harvesting them?

Harvest is allowed at Willamette Falls where runs are healthy. There are no dams causing conflict to lamprey making it up to the falls to spawn. The concern is upper columbia and snaker river tributaries where runs are very minimal. I'm guessing that genetics are different similiar to salmon.

"get one leakin",  maybe you didn't read the above post by woodywsu?   

If you don't understand, then you may need to take a biology class.

[Coastal_native]

Perfect...give this guy a hunt WA t-shirt and make him a moderator.  After you read that article and thought about what you wanted to post...was it your hate for Native Americans that inspired you to pull out a negative response? or was it your vast knowledge of all the factors that contribute to resource management and sustainability? 

....5th worst example of invoking the first amendment since I've been on this site...thanks.

...6th worst example of invoking the first amendment since I've been on this site...the subsequent responses to "get one leakin" were much better.  Way to clean it up gentlemen.

[sebek556]

woah kinda sad the remarks start with he is with me..

[get one leakin]

Actually I dont hate anybody.  I never labeled anybody.  I am not alone with my frustration with some native hunters and fisherman that want something protected and then dont respect the same measures that they request from everyone else.  Maybe the lampreys on the willamette are different population than the upstream population but if one is caught above the dams is it released?  I have not witnessed that but I have witnessed our large breeding Bucks taken on private, non tribal land long after any season.  Im not saying that all natives abuse their privleges, but some do.  I get just as upset when non native hunters shoot game after season.  Id say that if your opinion deserves to be heard (costal native) than before you call my comments ignorant look at your own.

[Coastal_native]

I'm shameful of my response to your initial post.  I pointed that out above.  I've seen a lot more "hate inspired" posts than yours.  What stood out to me on this thread is that it seems impossible to come up with a negative response to the article from the OP. 

Here's an example of an opinion "It seems contradictory to continue to authorize a fishery on a species that you're worried might be at risk of extinction".  If you would have left it at that, It would have been perfect.

This has nothing to do with sensitivity, too many people these days claim "free speech" as an excuse to be disrespectful...(especially that jack ass Bill Mahr, he spits on the flag everytime he opens his mouth)

[sebek556]

back to the orginal topic here these thing are ugly ugly ugly, but how do they taste?

[bobcat]

The tribal hunting issue (and fishing) is definitely a big one. It's about the most frustrating issue there was in this state, for me, until the wolf issue came along. I place most of the blame on our government for simply allowing it to happen, and not seeming to care whatsoever. But in this case, it sounds like they are catching lampreys which are not affected by the dams and therefore this particular run is not in trouble.

[get one leakin]

Good point costal, that was the point I was making, I just get caught up and a little upset at hunters that abuse the system, native or not.  I do have one question and maybe it has been addressed already on this site.  Are the Natives allowed to hunt wolves in Washington or in other states?  That would at least be some help to keep them in check.

[Coastal_native]

That'll be a big issue. Right now, because of the federal nexus between the US and Treaty tribes, we are required to comply with all apllicable federal laws, including the Endangered Species Act.  There is a lot of case law, secretarial orders, and legislation that address consultation expectations between the feds and Tribes.  We constantly run into issues where federal laws conflict with our treaties.  A good example would be the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

My opinion would be that some tribes will assert their right to "actively" manage wolf populations...being that we tend to think of ourselves as being "a part of nature" as opposed to being "apart from nature".  It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[PlateauNDN]

Good point costal, that was the point I was making, I just get caught up and a little upset at hunters that abuse the system, native or not.  I do have one question and maybe it has been addressed already on this site.  Are the Natives allowed to hunt wolves in Washington or in other states?  That would at least be some help to keep them in check.

I know I'm 9 hours late but some of us that have to get up early with kids have an early bed time.  Since Coastal gave a good legal answer I'm just going to say at least for us, the Yakama's we don't hunt wolves and if I see somebody with a wolf you bet your A$$ I'm going to gather the intel and report them ASAP.  The wolf is a revered animal here to those that still follow the teachings of their elders and it is one to be respected.

If the Tribe ever does manage the wolf population that I know is up there near Mt. Adams and they along with the State and Feds admit it then they would more than likely let our Wildlife Managers handle the control and management of the packs.

And Sebek, I wasn't placing either one of you in the same boat just responding to the 1st post by "get one leakin" and his post contained your post so you were kind of a victim of crossfire, sorry.

If you have any other questions then ask away.

[ouchfoss]

When I was a little kid I used to find them all the time in the creek by my house plus at all the creeks that dump into Lake Quinault. Weird thing is, they can live out of water for a long time. When the creek would dry up every summer by my house, you could go to all the deep spots in the creek and lift logs and rocks and find them still alive days after the creek went dry.
I had no idea anyone would ever eat them! Makes me kinda curious how they taste. What is law for harvesting them?

[Sumpnneedskillin]

When I was a little kid I used to find them all the time in the creek by my house plus at all the creeks that dump into Lake Quinault. Weird thing is, they can live out of water for a long time. When the creek would dry up every summer by my house, you could go to all the deep spots in the creek and lift logs and rocks and find them still alive days after the creek went dry.
I had no idea anyone would ever eat them! Makes me kinda curious how they taste. What is law for harvesting them?

Pg 20 of the 2011/2012 Sportfishing Rules
You May Not:  Take, fish for, or possess PACIFIC LAMPREY, WESTERN BROOK LAMPREY, OR RIVER LAMPREY, or use any species of LAMPREY for bait.

[ouchfoss]

I guess that answers my question!    

[singleshot12]

That's great that NW tribes are making an effort to save the primitive eel and when populations reach a harvestable level hopefully the Lamprey will be used for sustenance only among the tribe and not put on the market for profit!

[Special T]

Is this the fish? And i mean the leach looking parasite that is hangin on the other big fish... If we are trying to save that thing we got our priorities screwed up...