Thought on jeep grand Cherokee?

[jackelope]

I would suggest the older (simpler!) Toyotas had a lot less to go wrong and much more basic technology.
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.
I will be happy to list TSB's for Toyota vehicles that should never occur in a well-designed and manufactured vehicle.
Care to see the list?
Sorry to hijack thread but......

Post it.  I triple dog dare you.

   
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2004 Toyota Truck Tacoma 4WD V6-3.4L (5VZ-FE)
 Vehicle Level  Technical Service Bulletins  All Technical Service Bulletins 
 
 
All Technical Service Bulletins
 Information
 
Number Date Title
SB0014-11 02/17/2011  A/T - Torque Converter Bolt Installation Precautions
CRIB180 12/20/2010  Vehicle - Usage Of Non-OE Parts
SB0141-10 06/04/2010  Body - Windshield/Back Glass Ticking Noise
CRIB177 03/01/2010  Restraints - OCS System Initialization
SB0064-10 02/04/2010  Engine Controls - Techstream(R) ECU Re-Flash Procedure
SB0079-09R1 12/23/2009  Vehicle - Long Term Storage Guidelines
SB0398-09 12/23/2009  Engine Controls - A/F And O2 Sensor Identification
CRIB175 12/01/2009  Body - HSS/UHSS Cabin Reinforcement Repair/Replacement
CRIB176 12/01/2009  Body - Approved Collision Repair Methods
SB0301-08R1 10/20/2009  Engine - Serial Number Locations/Identification
SB0288-08R1 06/10/2009  Interior - Squeaking Noises From The Front Seat
CRIB173 04/01/2009  Paint - Refinishing Information
SB0091-09 03/18/2009  A/T - A340, Solenoid Identification
CRIB165 03/01/2009  Body - Acid Rain Paint Damage Prevention/Repair
CRIB172 03/01/2009  Body - Bumper Component Repair
SB0391-08 12/24/2008  Steering/Suspension - Vehicle Pull Repair Supplement
CRIB170 10/01/2008  Body - Plastic Bumper Refinishing
SB0258-08 09/02/2008  Restraints - Seat Belt Tongue Plate Stopper Replacement
CRIB164 09/01/2008  Vehicle - VIN Plate/Certification Label Replacement
SB0144-08 07/31/2008  Vehicle - Certification Label Information
SB0138-08 07/21/2008  Body/Frame - Protective Wax Coating Information
CRIB167 07/01/2008  Body/Interior - Trim Removal & Installation
SB0053-08 05/08/2008  A/T, M/T - Alignment Pin Service Precaution
SB0038-08 04/16/2008  Engine - Cylinder Head Cover Baffle Precautions
SB0020-08 03/25/2008  ABS/TCS - Zero Point Calibration Information
CRIB163 02/01/2008  Body - Sealing Hem-Flanges & Body Seams
CRIB161 01/01/2008  Body - Collision Damage Repair Precautions
CRIB160 12/01/2007  Restraints - SRS Service Precautions
CRIB159 12/01/2007  Body - Corrosion Prevention & Sound Absorption Info.
PG007-07 11/20/2007  Vehicle - Replacement VIN Plate Information
EL010R-07 11/10/2007  Keyless Entry - Remote Transmitter Programming Guide
PG005R-03 10/04/2007  Wheels/Tires - Spare Tire Carrier Operation Information
CRIB158 10/01/2007  Body - Panel Adhesive Information
SS006-07 08/11/2007  Battery - Absorbed Glass Mat Battery (AGM) Information
SS004-07 08/06/2007  Restraints - SRS Component Disposal
CRIB155 08/01/2007  Body/Frame - Sectioning Information
CRIB156 08/01/2007  Electrical - SRS And HV Wiring Repairs
EG034-07 06/28/2007  Engine Controls - Bank 1/Bank 2 O2 Sensor identification
TC003-07 03/06/2007  Drivetrain - Drive/Axle Shaft Replacement Precautions
AU001R-06 02/26/2007  Audio System - Quick Reference Diagnostic Guide
EL003-07 02/06/2007  Air Bag Systems - Repair Manual Supplement
PG001R-06 11/28/2006  Electrical - Battery Maintenance and Testing
CRIB146 09/01/2006  Body - Paintless Dent Repair Information
PG011R-05 06/09/2006  Fuel System - Fuel Injector Cleaning Procedure
BO017R-03 04/24/2006  Body - Interior Trim Panels/Garnish Loose
BO022R-04 12/09/2005  Restraints - Seat Belt Extender Availability/Application
SS003-05 11/28/2005  Audio System - CD Player Skip Verification
BO014-05 11/10/2005  SRS/Interior - Seat Cover Replacement Caution
PA002R-02 10/17/2005  Paint - Paint Stains Under Rapgard
EG045R-04 06/03/2005  Engine Controls - Entering VIN When Replacing PCM/ECM
NHTSA05V225000 05/06/2005  Recall 05V225000: Front Lower Ball Joint Replacement
SSC50J 05/01/2005  Recall - Front Lower Ball Joint Replacement
EG014-05 03/28/2005  Cooling System - Radiator Cap Inspection Procedure
PA003R-02 02/14/2005  Paint - Refinishing Bumper Cover
BO026R-00 01/12/2005  Body - Water Leaks to The Interior
EG052-04 12/22/2004  Fuel System - Extended Engine Cranking Time
TC002R-03 12/21/2004  Engine/Transmission Controls - Resetting ECM Memory
PA005R-04 12/16/2004  Paint - Iron Rust Contamination Repair
AC009-04 12/16/2004  A/C - Sensor Inspection Procedures
CRIB141 10/01/2004  Paint - Chip Resistant Coatings
EG042-04 09/20/2004  Engine Controls/Electrical - Intermittent Hard Start
ST005-04 09/09/2004  ABS/TCS - VSC Steering Angle Sensor Initialization
BO008-04 05/27/2004  Body - Front Door Glass Weatherstrip Fits Incorrectly
NV006R-02 01/28/2004  Interior - Dash Pad Rattles
SS004R-01 09/23/2003  Engine Controls - Error When Reprogramming ECU
SS002R-01 09/22/2003  Engine Controls - ECU Reprogramming Procedure
CRIB136 09/01/2003  Body - Full Frame Components & Precautions
PA007-03 07/28/2003  Paint - Body Trim & Cladding Colors
PA006-03 07/21/2003  Paint - Paint Colors - All
CRIB127 05/01/2003  Glass - Windshield and Fixed Glass Bonding
PA002-04 04/02/2003  Paint - Color, Scratch Resistant & Anti-Acid Paint
CRIB122 02/01/2003  Body - Body Sectioning
 

[jackelope]

I'm feeling like an outlaw today so I chose a '04 Tacoma with the V6. Thats the list of TSB's on it out of AllData.
 

[Buckmark]

My favorite....
SB0288-08R1 06/10/2009  Interior - Squeaking Noises From The Front Seat

[MikeWalking]

Have a 2004 GC Laredo 4.0L I6. Nothing to tow, plenty of power for me. 74K miles.  1 Water pump at 69-70K?  Some leak problems around the windshield, right side door.  The wiring into the drivers door is going bad, cracking & breaking.   Doesn't like to restart cold after a short idle-start, idle a few seconds shut it off to run back in the house for something.  The Power Steering pump will seep a little past the cap on long tough off pavement  climbs, like the 4k feet in 4 miles to my favorite camp spot.  New Castrol  every 3k never a leak. (there is some oily grime on the front of the oil pan when I do the changes??) K&N air filter 21-28mpg hwy-county road  50-55mph = 26-28mpg

Other than that it wants to go go &go

[magnanimous_j]

I would suggest the older (simpler!) Toyotas had a lot less to go wrong and much more basic technology.
Recent Toyotas have not kept up (or have been caught from behind) by other makers.
People read Consumer Reports and think Toyota has some kind of magic...CR is just a conduit of label worship.

If there is one thing that Consumer Reports does wrong with cars is there priority of reliability over anything else. It doesn't matter how ugly, boring, underpowered or uninspiring a car is, if its reliable, CR loves it.

That being said, Toyota did take a little dip in reliability about 5 years ago. At the same time, Ford got a lot better. But Toyota is still the most reliable car on the road (as hideously boring as most of them are to drive)

As far as light trucks and SUVs, I have to go Japanese. Nissan and Toyota make great rigs that last a really long time. American Companies do full size better than anyone, but their small trucks and suv's are hit or miss. At best.

[thinkingman]

Well, he drives a Toyota Tacoma so, he could legitimately have a beef or opinion about his experience with his truck I suppose

Yeah I agree, as do I and thousands of others. No offense but being as I have driven and worked on literally thousands of cars, I think my own observations are a little more astute on this topic. He and I have talked about some of his issues with his tacoma and truthfully they sound much overblown. I've heard about the spring issue he had and there was even a tsb for it. If I hated any vehicle as much as he professes to hate his it would be sold or traded asap.

I bought it for the resale value...before the quality issues became evident.
I can still sell it for almost what I paid 3 years ago.
In the stock market, we call it 'the greater fool theory'.

[longknife]

Stay with GOOD AMERICAN STEEL, go EARLY BRONCO!!

You can keep your precious heated seats, heated mirrors, and espresso makers.
NAFTA SUCKS!

[FC]

Post it.  I triple dog dare you.

   
 Vehicle Level  Technical Service Bulletins 

Now lets see the list on a couple Chryslers or Fords 

[Miles]

Post it.  I triple dog dare you.

   
 Vehicle Level  Technical Service Bulletins 

Now lets see the list on a couple Chryslers or Fords 

We could have him post up the list for a Chevrolet Silverado 1500, but we'd have to contact bearpaw first to make sure the forum could handle that much info without crashing.
 
Yes, I own one.    I wish the only sqeaking noises were from the seat.

[jackelope]

Post it.  I triple dog dare you.

   
 Vehicle Level  Technical Service Bulletins 

Now lets see the list on a couple Chryslers or Fords 

'04 Grand Cherokee


 
All Technical Service Bulletins
 Information
 
Number Date Title
24-002-10 01/13/2010  A/C - HVAC Sub-Assembly Part Availability
J14 11/18/2009  Recall - Potential Seat Heater Fire
NHTSA09V117000 04/07/2009  Recall 09V117000: Seat Heater Replacement
21-021-08 09/17/2008  A/T - Repair/Replacement Guidelines
21-014-07 10/16/2007  A/T - ATF + 4 Fluid Usage
08-030-06A 08/25/2006  Engine Control - PCM Initialization Procedure
24-006-06 08/10/2006  A/C - Musty Odors When Hot/Humid
05-003-06 07/21/2006  Brakes - Front Brake Inspection RE Lawsuit BER-L-4883-04
F17 07/01/2006  Recall - Front Seat Heater Element Replacement
NHTSA06V197000 06/06/2006  Recall 06V197000: Front Pass. Seat Heater Overheating
21-010-06 04/14/2006  A/T - ATF+4 Fluid Usage/Applications
23-014-06 03/08/2006  Wipers/Washers - Wipers Smear or Streak Windshield
22-001-05 12/01/2005  Wheels - Caring for Chrome Wheels
18-037-05 10/20/2005  Engine Controls - Flash Programming Failure Recovery
21-015-05 09/01/2005  A/T - 45RFE/545RFE Delayed Engagement After Filter R&R
18-029-05 06/30/2005  Engine Controls - Co-Pilot Support & Correct Cable Usage
08-024-05 05/04/2005  Electrical - Radio Equipment Installation Recommendation
19-005-04A 10/25/2004  Steering - Steering Column Pop/Tick/Creak Noise
02-006-04 08/20/2004  Steering - Lead or Drift To Either Side of Road
08-027-04 07/30/2004  Safety Systems - Inadvertent Damage/Disabling
18-028-04 06/30/2004  A/T - Torque Converter Lock-Up Inoperative
02-002-04A 05/25/2004  Suspension - Front Suspension Squeak/Squawk Noises
23-012-04 04/27/2004  Interior - Wooden Trim Panels Scratched
D14 04/01/2004  Recall - ECM Programming for OBD Malfunctions
08-014-04 03/30/2004  Audio System - Intermittent Loss of Audio
23-009-04 03/09/2004  Interior - Popping/Clicking Noise in Front Seat Frame
NHTSA04V112000 03/01/2004  Recall 04V112000: Engine Stalling Hazard
D13 03/01/2004  Recall - Crankshaft Position Sensor Replacement
D05 03/01/2004  Recall - Tire/Rim/Inflation Pressure Label Replacement
18-008-04 02/24/2004  Engine Controls - Idle Drone/Transfer Case Lamp ON
NHTSA04V048000 02/03/2004  Recall 04V048000: Tire/Wheel/Inflation Label Missing
08-002-04 01/06/2004  Body Controls - Horn Chirp Upon Vehicle Entry
18-040-03 11/21/2003  Engine Controls - Erroneous DTC P0135 (O2 Sensor) Set
23-026-03 10/24/2003  Body - Poor Air Deflector to Hood Fit
08-030-03 10/24/2003  Electrical - No Auxiliary Power to Trailer Tow Harness
08-028-03 09/19/2003  Audio System - 'CD ERR' Message Displayed
18-032-03 09/12/2003  Engine Controls - MIL ON/Erroneous O2 Sensor DTC's
25-002-03 09/12/2003  Emissions - Long Crank Time to Start Engine
18-031-03 09/05/2003  Fuel System - Hot Start Misfire/MIL ON/DTC's/Rough Idle
03-002-03 08/29/2003  Drivetrain - Rear Axle Vent Cap Leakage
19-005-03 08/29/2003  Steering - Power Steering Fluid Usage
09-003-03 08/01/2003  Engine - Multiple Cylinder Misfire
06-002-03 08/01/2003  M/T - Excessive Clutch Slippage
08-016-03 06/13/2003  Restraint Systems - Optimized Air Bag Control Module
23-015-03 06/06/2003  Body - Wind Noise from Top Rear of Front Doors
23-013-03 05/30/2003  Body - Roof Rack Air Turbulence/Wind Whistle
24-003-03 05/23/2003  A/C - System Sealer Usage Prohibition
C12 03/01/2003  Recall - Steering Gear Assembly
25-001-03 02/21/2003  Emissions - Ticking Sound With Engine Idling
22-001-03 02/07/2003  Tire Pressure Monitor - Temperature Change Effects
C07 02/01/2003  Campaign - Avoiding Unintentional Vehicle Movement
07-005-02 12/16/2002  Cooling System - Intermittent MIL ON/DTC P1499 Set
 

[jackelope]

Those are definitely not ALL the TSB's on a G/C....I suspect the same holds true for the Toyota.
I think Woodchuck said... AllData==SomeData.

[blu65ss]

I have an '04 4 runner with 170000 miles without one issue yet.  Just regular oil changes at 7000 miles w/ mobil one, yokahama geolander tires with 70000 miles and still no rattles!