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My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« on: August 07, 2008, 12:19:56 PM »
I thought that maybe some of you would be interested...

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Dear Director and Commission,

My name is Rylan Weythman.  I am a lifelong resident of Washington State - an avid hunter, fisherman, and outdoorsman. 

I am writing in regards to the shooting incident that took place this past week when a young bear hunter unfortunately took the life of an innocent hiker.  The news shocked me just as much as the rest of the state, and I am deeply sympathetic, both towards the family of the victim as well as the young hunter whose life will never be the same.

In spite of my emotions on this issue, however, I am concerned over the announcement of possible regulation changes - specifically those concerning the closure of public lands to hunters and the establishment of a minimum hunting age.

In times like these it is most important to avoid distraction and stay grounded when evaluating the effects of an incident.  Was this a tragic experience?  Of course.  Should it have been avoided?  Of course.  Does it necessitate changes to the above-mentioned regulations?  Absolutely not.

Public lands are just that:  Public.  When we restrict public lands to only certain forms of legal activity, we transform those lands into something that is no longer public but selective.  Who is to say that hunters and hikers should have different rights to equally public lands?  If we prevent hunters from accessing portions of public land to prevent interactions with hikers, are we not shifting from a fair and balanced division of use (something that public land by definition should entail)?  The same could be said if the roles were reversed. 

Hunters are constantly losing access to nature due to development, community-imposed no shooting zones, and increased regulation.  It would be a travesty, however, for regulators in Washington to allow further loss of access due to one very, very rare incident.  Hunting is too important to conservation efforts and our culture, and it is something that must be regulated with great care and consideration.

In regards to imposing a minimum age for hunters, I must ask the question, "On what grounds?"

Washington averages approximately ten hunting-related shooting accidents each year; a great majority of which involve the shooting of someone in the hunting party.  In fact, the incident I alluded to at the beginning of my letter was the first of its kind in the past twenty-five years.

Furthermore, if we look at the statistics, we see that of those ten accidents per year, children are involved in very few, if any.  So on what basis do we establish a minimum age for hunters?  Certainly it's not out of public concern over incident rates.  If that was the case, we would be better served to regulate the minimum age for riding a bike, playing on a public playground, or chewing gum - as these activities have significantly higher accident rates for American youth.

People will argue that shooting a firearm requires a great deal of responsibility and maturity.  I agree.  Anyone who has the power to take a life must exercise control over their weapon, their demeanor, and their decisions.  But these advocates will further argue that children under a certain age - the age varies with each opinion - are not capable of such control.  With this I disagree. 

If their argument is true, where are the accidents?  Where are the numbers?  Where are the news clippings?  The short-sighted few will point to the incident this past week as proof, but let us not forget that this hunter was a teenager and that this type of incident is rarer than being struck by lightening.

In light of this, setting a minimum age for hunters accomplishes nothing in the realm of public safety.  What it does do, however, is restrict parents from assessing their child's unique ability and maturity, and it prevents parents from introducing their children to an activity that has been passed down from generation to generation.  As a society, we are already losing our children to video games, gangs, and drugs.  Why would we want to deter them from participating in an activity that promotes health, responsibility, maturity, and self-reliance?

The more I read about last week's incident, the stronger I feel that this isn't about land use or sharing terrain, and it isn't about people being too young to hunt.  It's about a lack of supervision.

Instead of restricting hunters' access to public lands or instituting a minimum age for hunters, Washington State should simply require young hunters to hunt under direct supervision of an adult.  That way we encourage the role of mentoring and we reduce the already low risk that someone will get hurt in the field.

Sincerely,

Rylan Weythman
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 12:37:24 PM »
Very well articulated.
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 12:38:14 PM »
Well executed Rylan.  You obviously took time in wordsmithing your response without emotion and it shows.
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 12:38:46 PM »
If u are under the age of 16 aren't u already required to have an adult (18+) with u?

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 12:45:10 PM »
GREAT Email.  This is exactly the stuff they need to get.   :IBCOOL:

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008, 12:48:03 PM »
You have to be 14+ to hunt w/out adult supervision.
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008, 12:48:22 PM »
Well said! The only think I see differently is, maybe they shouldn't limit it to youth hunters, but included first time hunters of any age. Some one in there twenties or thirties that has no prior hunting or gun experience could be just as dangerous. Make them hunt with an experienced hunter for a couple of years to learn safety in the field and not just out of a book. Just my  :twocents:

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008, 12:56:56 PM »
Very well done, Rylan.  Thank you.    :tup: :tup:

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 12:58:35 PM »
I sounded off to the director. Sure hope they think about this before they do something drastic.

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008, 02:27:33 PM »
When did the requirement for being age 14 kick in?  Great letter, we all need to take the time to write something like that.
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008, 02:37:14 PM »
I submitted it to the editor of the Seattle Times as well (along with the author of the story).  Maybe it'll get some attention, maybe it won't.

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008, 02:39:00 PM »
If you did not know there is a page at the http://nra-ila.org where you can email all kinds of media and legislators. I just found it last night. You have to be a member and log in to use it.

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2008, 02:41:39 PM »
By the way. My read on it is that they will change the opening date or even close some seasons which happen with rifles before October in order to reduce conflict with hikers. Get ready people. Letters to Koenig is not going to be all we need.

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008, 03:06:36 PM »
It's easy to find your State reps and senators e-mails. I've already done that and sent a note.

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2008, 03:07:08 PM »
Yes but with this form you can email them all and any media folks in your local area in one shot.

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2008, 03:11:26 PM »
I heard this this afternoon: I will not quote because I cannot repeat it word for word. We are not blaming the boy, hunters in general, seasons, etc. They stated that they did not want to see any changes made because of this accident.
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2008, 03:17:09 PM »
Killbilly, no matter what the family said in their interview the frenzy has already been set into motion.

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2008, 05:10:31 PM »
Killbilly, no matter what the family said in their interview the frenzy has already been set into motion.

Actually Ray, the only Frenzy I have witnessed is right here. I work with a large amount of people, Hunters, hikers, snowmobilers, quad & motorcycle riders, etc. Only 2 people have even mentioned it this week. Both people only ask if I had heard about it. No doubt there are groups  that are going to take advantage of the opportunity but that doesn't change the families opinion. If you read it again, all you can take from it is that they weren't asking for or advocating any changes. Pretty plain and clear. So, I see more frenzy here than anywhere else. That is not a bad thing necessarily. Our desire to do something and make something positive out of this is admirable. But the doom and gloom may be just a trifle premature. Keep thinking good and positive while doing good and positive.
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2008, 05:12:37 PM »
I just got an email from the Letters Editor at the Seattle Times letting me know that this will be the lead-letter in their letter's section on Sunday.

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2008, 11:56:32 AM »
Rylan, great letter.  Could not have said it better myself and could not agree more!!

KillBilly, you want to see a frenzy go over to nwhiker.net.  I just read 58 pages of frenzy!

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2008, 12:01:15 PM »
Killbilly, If you have not seen the mob in action check out the Seattle PI Soundoff or NWHikers.

The point is that people are upset and want change. You can talk about your letters but I think the WDFW has already said what they are going to do in a terse manner. See the other topic "Bones thoughts on the shooting" or whatever it is for my interpretations. Therefore the letters must be concisely on what you want to see changed and what you don't want. For example - The Start of Bear season dates, wht is the correct age to get a license, who should be allowed to hunt alone unsupervised, what is supervised. Are other seasons under the radar like High Buck because they coincided with hiker use? What else is next?

Who is representing hunter rights in Wa state collectively? Probably just the NRA-ILA which I emailed yesterday. We'll need to be organized a lot more than with letters in order to mitigate the losses. Maybe hunters should be the ones who propose the changes before the anti hunters do...... Why should we remain reactive instead of being pro-active?
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2008, 02:37:55 PM »
Very well done  A-Bolt.
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2008, 04:43:19 AM »
Killbilly, If you have not seen the mob in action check out the Seattle PI Soundoff or NWHikers.

The point is that people are upset and want change. You can talk about your letters but I think the WDFW has already said what they are going to do in a terse manner. See the other topic "Bones thoughts on the shooting" or whatever it is for my interpretations. Therefore the letters must be concisely on what you want to see changed and what you don't want. For example - The Start of Bear season dates, wht is the correct age to get a license, who should be allowed to hunt alone unsupervised, what is supervised. Are other seasons under the radar like High Buck because they coincided with hiker use? What else is next?

Who is representing hunter rights in Wa state collectively? Probably just the NRA-ILA which I emailed yesterday. We'll need to be organized a lot more than with letters in order to mitigate the losses. Maybe hunters should be the ones who propose the changes before the anti hunters do...... Why should we remain reactive instead of being pro-active?

Wanting and getting are two different things. We want changes in Iraq, we want changes in taxes, we want changes in gas prices. The "mobs" as you refer to them are much larger on those issues. I don't expect to see any large or wholesale changes because of this unfortunate instance. I do expect WDFW to act intelligently and make decisions that will enhance safety without degrading opportunities for any user groups. My experience with Mobs is that are very seldom right and usually are wrong. Thus the name mobs....
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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2008, 05:59:15 AM »
Believe what you must. If you have not internalized the WDFW bulletin then expect a bear season opening day change in western washington. I don't think that is a stretch for them to get since they have already said there could be changes in hunting season times. Last I read you have hunted for bears in Western WA during August. You might be surprised if they get that.

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Re: My letter to WDFW regarding the shooting and its implications
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I forgot to also mention that the mob mentality was able to get bear baiting and cougar hunting with hounds banned.

 


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