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Re: 2001 Deer Permits
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2024, 08:24:09 PM »
I think if a guy turned up this data from the early 90's minds would be blown.  I remember reading an article in the early 90's, before the point system, about hunting the yakima area units for deer during the rut but you had to draw a permit, odds were one in 3, or one in 4, like 100 permits and 300-400 applicants. 

Back in the days before the internet with green postcards you waited to show up in the mail the first week of August.  Ah the good old days......
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Re: 2001 Deer Permits
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2024, 05:25:10 AM »
Back in the early 2000ís I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking ďwhat the heck was I thinking?Ē  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didnít move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.
Idaho is only 15-20 years behind us. Itís coming for all the states. Some faster and some slower.  Colorado and Oregon will be next to fall. Wyoming will be last but itís coming to all.


THIS!  :yeah:


PS, I think most forget there was a lot less human population back then too. Yes, WDFW has not managed well, but it is foolish at best to believe human population/growth has not made a HUGE impact on ungulates, and our sport.

As an example, I started bow hunting long before it was a popular thing (Bear whitetail hunter was THE bow to have lol). Very rarely did you see another hunter. Currently, take a drive into a popular hunting area during archery season (Colockum/Swakane area) hunters everywhere.
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Re: 2001 Deer Permits
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2024, 09:03:14 AM »
Back in the early 2000ís I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking ďwhat the heck was I thinking?Ē  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didnít move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.
Idaho is only 15-20 years behind us. Itís coming for all the states. Some faster and some slower.  Colorado and Oregon will be next to fall. Wyoming will be last but itís coming to all.


THIS!  :yeah:


PS, I think most forget there was a lot less human population back then too. Yes, WDFW has not managed well, but it is foolish at best to believe human population/growth has not made a HUGE impact on ungulates, and our sport.

As an example, I started bow hunting long before it was a popular thing (Bear whitetail hunter was THE bow to have lol). Very rarely did you see another hunter. Currently, take a drive into a popular hunting area during archery season (Colockum/Swakane area) hunters everywhere.

No doubt humans have had a huge impact on game species. Recreational pressure, vehicle mortality, filling wintering ground full of vacation homes. We're not living in Yellowstone that's for sure. Mule deer have it pretty rough these days and we've affected every aspect of their existence. Which is why its absolutely ridiculous to think that the "hands off, let nature balance itself" theory is still applicable or viable. It is our duty to mitigate predator pressure in response to all of this, we are well beyond letting nature sort itself out.

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Re: 2001 Deer Permits
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2024, 10:13:02 AM »
Back in the early 2000ís I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking ďwhat the heck was I thinking?Ē  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didnít move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.
Idaho is only 15-20 years behind us. Itís coming for all the states. Some faster and some slower.  Colorado and Oregon will be next to fall. Wyoming will be last but itís coming to all.


THIS!  :yeah:


PS, I think most forget there was a lot less human population back then too. Yes, WDFW has not managed well, but it is foolish at best to believe human population/growth has not made a HUGE impact on ungulates, and our sport.

As an example, I started bow hunting long before it was a popular thing (Bear whitetail hunter was THE bow to have lol). Very rarely did you see another hunter. Currently, take a drive into a popular hunting area during archery season (Colockum/Swakane area) hunters everywhere.

No doubt humans have had a huge impact on game species. Recreational pressure, vehicle mortality, filling wintering ground full of vacation homes. We're not living in Yellowstone that's for sure. Mule deer have it pretty rough these days and we've affected every aspect of their existence. Which is why its absolutely ridiculous to think that the "hands off, let nature balance itself" theory is still applicable or viable. It is our duty to mitigate predator pressure in response to all of this, we are well beyond letting nature sort itself out.

Agreed.

Besides, we ARE part of nature.
Our impacts, positive and negative, are just part of the whole picture.
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Re: 2001 Deer Permits
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2024, 11:09:48 AM »
Back in the early 2000ís I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking ďwhat the heck was I thinking?Ē  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didnít move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.
Idaho is only 15-20 years behind us. Itís coming for all the states. Some faster and some slower.  Colorado and Oregon will be next to fall. Wyoming will be last but itís coming to all.


THIS!  :yeah:


PS, I think most forget there was a lot less human population back then too. Yes, WDFW has not managed well, but it is foolish at best to believe human population/growth has not made a HUGE impact on ungulates, and our sport.

As an example, I started bow hunting long before it was a popular thing (Bear whitetail hunter was THE bow to have lol). Very rarely did you see another hunter. Currently, take a drive into a popular hunting area during archery season (Colockum/Swakane area) hunters everywhere.

No doubt humans have had a huge impact on game species. Recreational pressure, vehicle mortality, filling wintering ground full of vacation homes. We're not living in Yellowstone that's for sure. Mule deer have it pretty rough these days and we've affected every aspect of their existence. Which is why its absolutely ridiculous to think that the "hands off, let nature balance itself" theory is still applicable or viable. It is our duty to mitigate predator pressure in response to all of this, we are well beyond letting nature sort itself out.


This is fact. We used to rarely see a motorcycle in Little Naches in October and there was also a green dot system that shut roads down to reduce pressure on animals. Couple that with the abrupt halt to logging in the 90ís that lead to the reduction of habitat for the animals by the late 2000ís, which was then followed by the liceÖ

Itís amazing to think of how much went wrong in the last 20 years that lead to where we are today and everything we experienced is hitting the other states as well.

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Re: 2001 Deer Permits
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2024, 11:21:06 AM »
Can't forget about 100,000's of thousands of acres of good habit lost to fires and replaced with CHEAT GRASS. UT and ID have started really studying the effects of cheat grass on mule deer and its not good. There's some fixes but it's not cheap. WA does essentially zilch when it comes to habitat restoration.  Fire burns up winter brows, we just let it go to cheat. Instead of planting sage and native grasses we just wait for mother nature to hopefully do it in 100 years or so. At least we can still complain about not baiting bears though. That seems to be helping :chuckle:🤦‍♂️
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Re: 2001 Deer Permits
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2024, 03:50:11 PM »
Can't forget about 100,000's of thousands of acres of good habit lost to fires and replaced with CHEAT GRASS. UT and ID have started really studying the effects of cheat grass on mule deer and its not good. There's some fixes but it's not cheap. WA does essentially zilch when it comes to habitat restoration.  Fire burns up winter brows, we just let it go to cheat. Instead of planting sage and native grasses we just wait for mother nature to hopefully do it in 100 years or so. At least we can still complain about not baiting bears though. That seems to be helping :chuckle:
Another thing that baffles me about our wildfires is the lack of salvage sales afterwords. The Colville tribe and private landowners start salvage logging full force while the stumps are still smoking and they donít stop until the mills tell them the logs are too far gone.

On logging pages and in loggers world magazine I read about salvage sales on forest service and state land in other states that go on for years. Even Cali frickin fornia being one of them! Yet for some reason salvage sales in Washington on federal and state land are few and far between.

The result? 5 years after the burn is the worst blowdown nightmare you can imagine that no animal in its right mind would willingly go into.


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