Bump'un and Nile Muzzy hunters

[bobcat]

Find me a unit where archery guys get 3pt min and antlerless elk and ml hunters have to shoots spikes.

This year, Bumping and Nile would be a couple. Also off the top of my head, add Taneum to the list.

[D-Rock425]

He said 3pt and antlerless and spikes for muzzleloader hunters.  I know about the cow and spike units just never seen one where we can shoot 3 points and cows besides westside units.

[bobcat]

You're right, sorry I mis-read that. I think he must have meant "spike and antlerless." That's what I was thinking anyway. Don't know what he really meant.   

[et1702]

WDFW is proposing changes to the harvest opportunities for Arrow throwers in the Bump'un and Nile.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2013/wsr_13-03-152.pdf

To surmise, currently arrow throwers can harvest Spikes only (in the Bump'un and Nile) and draw fer 50 antlerless tags in each unit.
Proposed change is:
Allow Arrow throwers to harvest either a Spike or Antlerless.     for us.
 
This will increase the antlerless harvest tremendously in both Units thus decrease'un we Coal burners who are lucky enough to get a cow tag.
 
If'un the Game biologist feel there are too many cows in these 2 units and want to thin'um out, ........ wouldn't it be fair to all types of hunters to increase tags fer everyone instead of allow'un the Arrow throwers all da glory?

Comments?

If you notice, the new regs also eliminate the Little Naches Unit (#346) for archers this year, which was spike or antlerless too.  Based on elk density, closing 346 and opening Bumping and Nile will have little or no effect on the number of anterless elk harvested.  But, it may spread out the archery hunters a little more.

ET

[washelkhunter]

Spike only hunts are bs hunts for any user group. I want into 560, 550 and back into 346. Ml used to have a great mid nov hunt in 346 for 4 days. No one can compare ml to ar and think ml is getting a fair shake today. As noted my arguement is hinging on the technological advancements in what is passing for ar today and the simple fact that we pay the same dollar amt but are being denied the same opportunities. I would like to have the option of at least taking a cow during the genl ml season.

[hughjorgan]

Spike only hunts are bs hunts for any user group. I want into 560, 550 and back into 346. Ml used to have a great mid nov hunt in 346 for 4 days. No one can compare ml to ar and think ml is getting a fair shake today. As noted my arguement is hinging on the technological advancements in what is passing for ar today and the simple fact that we pay the same dollar amt but are being denied the same opportunities. I would like to have the option of at least taking a cow during the genl ml season.

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Muzzleloaders have advanced big time to compare a modern compound. 150 yards vs 60 yards with a bow? Which has better ability to kill. There is no comparison which one is more efficient at.killing.

[et1702]

Spike only hunts are bs hunts for any user group. I want into 560, 550 and back into 346. Ml used to have a great mid nov hunt in 346 for 4 days. No one can compare ml to ar and think ml is getting a fair shake today. As noted my arguement is hinging on the technological advancements in what is passing for ar today and the simple fact that we pay the same dollar amt but are being denied the same opportunities. I would like to have the option of at least taking a cow during the genl ml season.

I too would disagree w/you.  All my elk have been 40yards or less w/archery equipment.  With my ML, I'd feel comfortable to 150yards.  BIG difference in ability to harvest an animal w/ML vs Archery.  Plus, even if you limit your self to 100 yards w/ML, there is a big difference in stalking to within 100 yards and stalking to within 40 yards (or even 50 to 60 yards).

ET

[D-Rock425]

I've killed 8 archery elk longest shot 40 yards.

[JimmyHoffa]

There's a thread on here for long range muzzy with the guys shooting muzzies out to like 400 yds (accurately).

[deerslyr]

To try and say muzzleloaders dont get the short end of the stick is absurd. They get the shortest season, less units, the units they get are typically less productive (on the west side any ways), least amount of tags, and over all less opportunity. For all of the previous reasons is why I switch to archery when I hunt in WA.
I will agree that typically you can shoot farther with a muzzy, but its no guarantee that muzzy will go off every time with the regulations in WA. For that reason I wont give much of an advantage to muzzy hunters. Ive killed animals with everything but pistols, every time I have shot at an animal with a bow the arrow went down range and fatally hit the animal. I cant say the same for muzzleloading rifles as ive had a few misfires, and at nice bucks at that.

[steeleywhopper]

Archers got railroaded out of Goose Prairie four years ago and this change really just restores our lost opportunity.  Bout time!

Amen brotha!

[brianmtsinc]

I personally love it!  The LN used to be an awesome special permit hunt, and still is, but is much more difficult since the changes.  They just are not as vocal with so many hunters running around.  For those that get lucky to draw it this year, you are in for some great hunting!   

IMO - The Nile and Bumping have a lot of elk and do not need to be draw only units. 

[Elkrunner]

Bring it back!  I am for it.

[D-Rock425]

I've never seen an archery meat shoot.

[D-Rock425]

I have no problems already