Am I the only one thinking this is really not good?

[KFhunter]

I think the manufacturers will have to step up to the plate.  Hopefully before the state does.....

Take a $500 Glock and charge $1500 for it then give a $1000 rebate for proof of completion of approved class.  Show the card and get the rebate at the register.

That is my only idea I got.  I posted that on our last debate on this topic, 6-8 months ago.

[turkeyfeather]

KF- I watched the videos you posted. And to be honest the first video I didn't really see much wrong. The gun owner took the time to make sure the other shooting(mainly the girls) knew where the parts are and that they were safe about it. I fail to see your problem with it. The other vids yeah there were a couple of less than safe moves made, but the guy making the video was clearly trying to teach the younger kid the basics. You really can't blame the guy for the kid being intimidated or even a little scared of the gun. I would venture all of us had our heart stop a little the first time we pulled a trigger. Most people who have never fired a gun really have no idea the power behind it. I didn't see anything in any of those video's that was grossly negligent and put someones life at risk. (except the one time the kid swept the camera guy after putting the magazine in.

[turkeyfeather]

I think the manufacturers will have to step up to the plate.  Hopefully before the state does.....

Take a $500 Glock and charge $1500 for it then give a $1000 rebate for proof of completion of approved class.  Show the card and get the rebate at the register.

That is my only idea I got.  I posted that on our last debate on this topic, 6-8 months ago.

You wanna have to wait for a $1000 refund everytime you buy a gun? I don't.

[KFhunter]

KF- I watched the videos you posted. And to be honest the first video I didn't really see much wrong. The gun owner took the time to make sure the other shooting(mainly the girls) knew where the parts are and that they were safe about it. I fail to see your problem with it. The other vids yeah there were a couple of less than safe moves made, but the guy making the video was clearly trying to teach the younger kid the basics. You really can't blame the guy for the kid being intimidated or even a little scared of the gun. I would venture all of us had our heart stop a little the first time we pulled a trigger. Most people who have never fired a gun really have no idea the power behind it. I didn't see anything in any of those video's that was grossly negligent and put someones life at risk. (except the one time the kid swept the camera guy after putting the magazine in.

Imagine how many are never filmed or posted on youtube

[KFhunter]

KF- I watched the videos you posted. And to be honest the first video I didn't really see much wrong. The gun owner took the time to make sure the other shooting(mainly the girls) knew where the parts are and that they were safe about it. I fail to see your problem with it. The other vids yeah there were a couple of less than safe moves made, but the guy making the video was clearly trying to teach the younger kid the basics. You really can't blame the guy for the kid being intimidated or even a little scared of the gun. I would venture all of us had our heart stop a little the first time we pulled a trigger. Most people who have never fired a gun really have no idea the power behind it. I didn't see anything in any of those video's that was grossly negligent and put someones life at risk. (except the one time the kid swept the camera guy after putting the magazine in.

piano is a certified RSO - let him pick the vids apart if you don't see any problems.  Maybe you should book a class with him?
I'm not trying to offend you so don't take it wrong, that you don't see a lot of issues with the vids concerns me is all.

[pianoman9701]

No, I'm not an RSO, only Hunter Ed instructor. I'm looking at getting that training in May. I was suggesting that You, KF, could help people be safe, too. Become a Hunter Ed instructor. Take the RSO class. Take the gun safety class. Here's a list of what the NRA offers:

http://nrainstructors.org/SearchCourse.aspx

I see plenty of problems in those videos right off the bat, especially with the first video - the guy immediately sweeps his own head and the camera and it just goes on from there. The guy in the 2nd and 3rd is also a mess and even sweeps the camera operator after the gun had just been loaded.

[KFhunter]

you forgot to mention safety glasses 

[pianoman9701]

you forgot to mention safety glasses 

You're right, and about 100 other things.

[turkeyfeather]

The guy in the 2nd and 3rd is also a mess and even sweeps the camera operator after the gun had just been loaded.

If you had read my entire post you would have seen that I mentioned this. And as I said I didn't see a grave situation other than the one mentioned. Were there things that should be addressed? Yes, but I can guarantee none of us knew all the proper rules and safety the first time we held a gun. And from what I saw the guys shooting the video's were trying to teach the newbies.

[ghosthunter]

Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.

Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.

Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.

My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. 

 

[pianoman9701]

Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.

Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.

Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.

My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. 

 

[whiteeyes]

Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.

Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.

Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.

My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. 

 

[Becky]

Well folks I am one of the guys you are talking about.
I have been a open carrier for five years. I still CC more often. But if I get hot off comes the coat. If you drive by my house on a weekend I will be mowing the lawn,yep OC.
It goes on with my pants and under my pillow at night. I am never without a firearm.
My son is a OC too.

Do I need your attention, nope. In fact I could care less. I carry for one reason the protection of myself and my family period. I do not care if you rob the local store, that is what the police are for.

Folks get there panties in a knot sometimes, "In front of the children"? Heck yeah I have two grandsons they do not give my gun a 2nd look they are 10 and 6. That's just grandpa.
However I do not leave firearms laying around.

My best advice shake the guys hand, the next right lost might be one you really care about. 

  I agree with you.

I don't have much knowledge in this area, but I do notice a lot more ARE starting to open carry in light of all the issues at hand with the gun-ban crap. It's sort of a use it or lose it privilege, I think it gets people talking and wanting to know more about our rights and the laws possibly. As for the ones who think that a robber will shoot the OC person first, I lean towards the other side that most are pretty dumb and are trying for a quick smash-and-grab over a full blown murderous gun fight. I believe it would deter them. I think any legal means of carry is a good step.

Myself personally, I have never owned a gun, I did put in paperwork for my CPL last week and I submitted paperwork on a gun at Cabela's earlier this month. I will NOT be open carrying, I honestly don't like any attention on me as it is but that's just me and my personality type. I also don't necessarily agree with KFhunter wanting requirements for all new gun owners to take classes, but I AM going to be taking two different classes once I get the gun. I have plenty of family willing to show me, but I want to know as much as possible

[ghosthunter]

The you are going get shot first idea is like saying if you have a hunting decal or NRA decal on your truck you are going to get robbed first because they think you have a gun.
You can not go through life fretting about what might happen.
Just live your life with out harming others if possible.

[grundy53]

The problem is that almost no one gets trained.


I'm almost to the point of championing required training before one is allowed to carry any gun/pistol for any reason outside of their personal property or domicile - it's that bad.    No, I'm not there yet, and probably won't ever be...but I think it is coming sometime in the future.  We do it for driving, hunting, diving, boating so the precedence is there.

I am not optimistic that people will show responsible gun ownership   

The difference is those are all privileges. Owning a firearm is a right. A right that shall not be infringed upon.