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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2019, 01:57:47 PM »
I would also point out that the 2AF and NRA have slightly different focuses. 2AF focuses on lawsuits, and NRA focuses on lobbying politicians. both are necessary and excell in their own way.
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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2019, 12:40:35 PM »
No offense intended, but "hoping" that another organization is going to stick up for your gun rights in Washington is a bit naive.  The SAF has had many, many legal victories since it was founded in 1974.  Other than the NRA and the SAF, nobody is going to bat for gun owners against I-1639.

Our gun rights in this state are going down the crapper, and will continue to do so.  As long as Inslee and Ferguson continue unabated in their quest to deny us our rights, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't help those fighting on our behalf.  And if you things are bad now...................just wait.

No offense taken.

I'm well aware that our state is following the path of California and I'm not happy about it.

This is why I don't think the current strategy is going to work.

The NRA has lost just about every lawsuit in California.

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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2019, 12:49:43 PM »
No offense intended, but "hoping" that another organization is going to stick up for your gun rights in Washington is a bit naive.  The SAF has had many, many legal victories since it was founded in 1974.  Other than the NRA and the SAF, nobody is going to bat for gun owners against I-1639.

Our gun rights in this state are going down the crapper, and will continue to do so.  As long as Inslee and Ferguson continue unabated in their quest to deny us our rights, we only have ourselves to blame if we don't help those fighting on our behalf.  And if you things are bad now...................just wait.

No offense taken.

I'm well aware that our state is following the path of California and I'm not happy about it.

This is why I don't think the current strategy is going to work.

The NRA has lost just about every lawsuit in California.
the only strategy that can work at this point is to crank the rope factories up to full production and begin decorating trees and lamp posts.

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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2019, 01:08:32 PM »
Polls have shown that the majority doesn't understand the intent of 2A. This includes many gun owners.

The NRA has done nothing to counter this. They lavishly spend on executive salaries and perks while doing nothing about the indoctrination problem. They just aren't good at countering what happens in the schools and media. I honestly don't think the executives even care about AR-15s. Everything they do tells me it isn't a priority for them. I think they assume the west coast will ban them and they don't care.

So this is why I think we need a new organization. It's not just about 1639. We don't have an organization that is countering the media. The NRA just yells about a bill being unconstitutional when the majority doesn't understand what that really means. So they aren't going to care if a judge basically says "nah" without an explanation.

The media has also convinced the public that the AR-15 is the problem. The NRA never points out that AR-15s aren't even used in 1% of homicides. They don't have the guts to point out that most gun related homicides occur in about 12 Democrat monopoly cities. Most of the US is no more violent than Europe. But the NRA doesn't have the guts to point out the truth since it is politically incorrect.

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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2019, 01:13:19 PM »
ARs first because they make great talking points, even if very few shootings actually used them.

Then they'll go after handguns.

Then...

Until they're all gone

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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2019, 01:30:01 PM »
Polls have shown that the majority doesn't understand the intent of 2A. This includes many gun owners.

The NRA has done nothing to counter this. They lavishly spend on executive salaries and perks while doing nothing about the indoctrination problem. They just aren't good at countering what happens in the schools and media. I honestly don't think the executives even care about AR-15s. Everything they do tells me it isn't a priority for them. I think they assume the west coast will ban them and they don't care.

So this is why I think we need a new organization. It's not just about 1639. We don't have an organization that is countering the media. The NRA just yells about a bill being unconstitutional when the majority doesn't understand what that really means. So they aren't going to care if a judge basically says "nah" without an explanation.

The media has also convinced the public that the AR-15 is the problem. The NRA never points out that AR-15s aren't even used in 1% of homicides. They don't have the guts to point out that most gun related homicides occur in about 12 Democrat monopoly cities. Most of the US is no more violent than Europe. But the NRA doesn't have the guts to point out the truth since it is politically incorrect.
You seem to think you know a lot about what the NRA does and doesnít do, and what they think and stand for. Lots of anger and vitriol in your anti NRA posts.
Why donít you just go help some pro gun organization and quit bitching about the NRA. You are doing nothing to help keep our 2A rights. Your rants are just negative and counter productive. You owe the NRA for most of the rights you still have. I donít have much hope that you will acknowledge that, and I donít really care much either.  DO SOMETHING! Give money. Join one of the other groups and be a 2A activist.

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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2019, 09:04:49 PM »
You seem to think you know a lot about what the NRA does and doesnít do, and what they think and stand for. Lots of anger and vitriol in your anti NRA posts.

Yea I realize that I don't take the common view here. That doesn't mean I am filled with rage and anger.

NRA CEO Wayne Pierre compensation in 2018 was 2.2 million in 2018. Average Wall St CEO salary was 400k.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nra-paid-wayne-lapierre-2-2-million-in-2018-a-55-increase-11573854835

NRA drop in political spending in 2018
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/2018-gun-control-outspends-nra-rights/

Why donít you just go help some pro gun organization and quit bitching about the NRA.

Why are you defending Wayne LaPierre who is clearly just lining his pockets? Or do you think he deserved that million dollar pay raise? Is the NRA winning?

You are doing nothing to help keep our 2A rights.

You have no idea as to what I am involved in.

I gave reasons as to why I'm disappointed with the NRA. Feel free to buy Wayne another jet.

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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2019, 11:32:45 PM »
FPC is the way

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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2019, 11:43:35 PM »
 FPC -
 Bottom line - support the enemy of your enemies.
If you are searching for a squeaky clean agenda, human nature and political motivations are guaranteed to wilt your lilies. If you donít feel like sending $$ to the NRA donít.
Just know they have done a lot of good. I certainly hope they pull it together & wish them the best of luck doing so.
 Right now the FPC will put those donations to good use.

And donít forget the Second Amendment Foundation.

https://www.saf.org/

I also contribute to them on a regular basis, and would encourage others here to do the same.
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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2019, 12:19:39 PM »
I'm guessing these pieces of proposed legislation are never expected to pass but are intended to lay the groundwork for an initiative to the people that has probably already been drafted. If the legislation never gets out of committee it gives cover to the politicians on both sides that don't want to have to defend their vote for or against something as polarizing as gun control.

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Re: Heads up they are after your rights again !
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2019, 06:35:08 PM »
You seem to think you know a lot about what the NRA does and doesnít do, and what they think and stand for. Lots of anger and vitriol in your anti NRA posts.

Yea I realize that I don't take the common view here. That doesn't mean I am filled with rage and anger.

NRA CEO Wayne Pierre compensation in 2018 was 2.2 million in 2018. Average Wall St CEO salary was 400k.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nra-paid-wayne-lapierre-2-2-million-in-2018-a-55-increase-11573854835

NRA drop in political spending in 2018
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/2018-gun-control-outspends-nra-rights/

Why donít you just go help some pro gun organization and quit bitching about the NRA.

Why are you defending Wayne LaPierre who is clearly just lining his pockets? Or do you think he deserved that million dollar pay raise? Is the NRA winning?

You are doing nothing to help keep our 2A rights.

You have no idea as to what I am involved in.

I gave reasons as to why I'm disappointed with the NRA. Feel free to buy Wayne another jet.
I am not interested in getting in a pissing match with you.
You are right. I do not know what you do to help protect our 2A rights. I should have said that complaining about the NRA is not helping. If you do anything at all, kudos to you. Itís more than most gun owners do.

 


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