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Lion hunting reg poll

I have sent emails to wdfw requesting increased lion hunting opportunity
33 (75%)
I have no intention of sending emails, i really dont care
11 (25%)

Total Members Voted: 44

Author Topic: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020  (Read 5105 times)

Offline kodiak10

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2019, 06:09:06 PM »
"Contrary to the belief that remedial sport hunting will reduce cougar reports and depredations my
study found that remedial hunting was associated with increased reports and livestock
depredations."

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2015R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/46476

From the abstract of this particular study I just found. Harvest levels would have to increase beyond remedial sport hunting in order to reduce the population. A solid reference for anyone else writing their email.
 

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2019, 06:58:27 PM »
Im just not buying that more lions killed by hunters = more depredation.  Ill read that later, busy now, but my initial thought is that it sounds like an agenda driven study financed by people who dont like lions being hunted.  Just like all the studies that show how great the wolves are for wildlife.

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2019, 03:58:13 PM »
Bumping as a reminder to send emails

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2019, 04:30:34 PM »
Im just not buying that more lions killed by hunters = more depredation.  Ill read that later, busy now, but my initial thought is that it sounds like an agenda driven study financed by people who dont like lions being hunted.  Just like all the studies that show how great the wolves are for wildlife.

Looks like Wielgus provided guidance with her research. I dont buy it either.

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2019, 12:27:57 AM »
Im just not buying that more lions killed by hunters = more depredation.  Ill read that later, busy now, but my initial thought is that it sounds like an agenda driven study financed by people who dont like lions being hunted.  Just like all the studies that show how great the wolves are for wildlife.

Looks like Wielgus provided guidance with her research. I dont buy it either.

Wielgus, the guy helping HSUS try to outlaw all cougar hunting in Colorado.  Yeah, no agenda there...  totally unbiased study I'm sure.

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2019, 05:37:34 AM »
It's an ok report, it uses the easy available data to make a determination that affirms Wielgus' preconceived notion.  It fails to account for any social tolerance issues though.  Nowadays when we have lots of reports and concerns it is attributed to increased awareness and people reporting more frequently. 

Weilgus loves to say that increased harvest exacerbates problems, he has beat that drum for bears, wolves and lions. 


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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2019, 06:04:23 AM »
I sent my e-mail and would like to know why these so called hunters who put I don't care as an answer can actually call their selves one.

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2019, 07:05:36 AM »
I sent my e-mail and would like to know why these so called hunters who put I don't care as an answer can actually call their selves one.
I'm not one of them, but I would hazard to guess they have given up. We have seen posts in the past stating that folks will hunt out of state, or hang up thier gear.

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2019, 12:03:59 PM »
Nowadays when we have lots of reports and concerns it is attributed to increased awareness and people reporting more frequently. 



Does wdfw really believe that increased reports are due to increased awareness and people being more willing to report, rather than the logical conclusion of incidents actually increasing? Thats absurd.  If anything i would guess peoples willingness to report is lower than ever.  I can tell you for a fact plenty of people handle these types of things themselves when possible and wont bother calling wdfw.

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2019, 12:08:08 PM »
 :yeah:

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2019, 12:10:41 PM »
Does anyone have the link to the status trend report?
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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2019, 12:27:00 PM »
I had a meeting with staff about trapping issues but the Large carnivore section manager was there. We have been talking about a trapping season for cougar. Not happening if WDFW has their way.
She did say an end to all recreational hunting of cougar was on the table so I just want emphasize how important it is to get your comments in. You can be sure the animal rights people are writing.
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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2019, 12:33:49 PM »
I had a meeting with staff about trapping issues but the Large carnivore section manager was there. We have been talking about a trapping season for cougar. Not happening if WDFW has their way.
She did say an end to all recreational hunting of cougar was on the table so I just want emphasize how important it is to get your comments in. You can be sure the animal rights people are writing.

You cant be serious

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2019, 01:04:21 PM »
I had a meeting with staff about trapping issues but the Large carnivore section manager was there. We have been talking about a trapping season for cougar. Not happening if WDFW has their way.
She did say an end to all recreational hunting of cougar was on the table so I just want emphasize how important it is to get your comments in. You can be sure the animal rights people are writing.

You cant be serious

That is what she said. I was astounded and I honestly don't think it will happen but the fact that they are even talking about it makes me think there is the possibility of a bad outcome if we do not be very vocal.
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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2019, 02:11:51 PM »
I had a meeting with staff about trapping issues but the Large carnivore section manager was there. We have been talking about a trapping season for cougar.
Not happening if WDFW has their way. <--- that sucks  >:(

She did say an end to all recreational hunting of cougar was on the table so I just want emphasize how important it is to get your comments in.

You can be sure the animal rights people are writing.


 :yike:   so stupid!!

please write in folks!!

 


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