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bullet caliber discussion
« on: November 17, 2020, 07:32:01 AM »
I have no ambition to salvage a pelt.   I'd hit this dog with an 87 grain Speer with my 25-06.  I think I'd be able to lay a bullet into him even with the grass.   My Dads 220 swift, he has two bullet choices.  One would vaporize the first blade of grass it touched and the other would probably find home.   It usually produces a pin hole through and through.   

For those that are pelt hunters, what would you use, and would it be effective for this yote, or whould you have to wait for a cleaner shot.   100 yards out.



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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2020, 07:44:22 AM »
Neck hole with the Not6 and I'm not waiting. As you know once they start running they really don't stop
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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2020, 08:01:24 AM »
What bullet are you shooting?

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2020, 08:45:16 AM »
I'd punch center mass into the shoulder. Any of my rifles or bullet choices. Dead yote.

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2020, 07:18:03 PM »
My 223 remington with 50 gr hornady vmax and I'm shooting as soon as the cross hair styles on the shoulder

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2020, 07:21:11 PM »
I'm not a pelt saver so the 300 wsm would bark with a 180gr accubond.  The holes are impressive and I don't worry about grass.   :chuckle:

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2020, 07:29:42 PM »
Most recent kill, a few nights ago, 6.5cm (130TMK) just behind the shoulder 500 yards drt, dont care about hides nor holes, just dead yotes.  My favorite target.

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2020, 08:20:51 PM »
Eastern Washington coyote gets a 55 grain vmax outta the .223
 Eastern coyotes are going to be bringing some good money this year

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2020, 08:28:34 PM »
Eastern Washington coyote gets a 55 grain vmax outta the .223
 Eastern coyotes are going to be bringing some good money this year

What is good money?  Maybe I need to whack them with the .223 instead.   :chuckle: :chuckle:  There is a pile of yotes this year.  More then I have ever seen on trail cam....ever.   So many my 11yo son made me promise to take him out to try and kill a few. 

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2020, 08:31:19 PM »
You can sell them whole to hicks creek fur buyer ( frozen) or if put up right and good white bellies you should get $100

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2020, 08:34:14 PM »
Remember about 20 years ago when that ballistics study was released disproving the myth of the “brush gun”? That you needed heavy bullets when shooting through brush?

Basically proved weight did not matter, but speed did. Two bullets of different weights, going the same speed, they saw no difference. But two bullets of the same weight, going different speeds, the fast bullet was more likely to deflect.
In reality the differences were so minimal, neither made a real world hunting difference.

All that to say, last that yote with whatever rifle you are carrying! :chuckle:
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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2020, 08:39:08 PM »
How about a 25-233 with a 75 grain v-max hand loaded where you can't get another crumb of powder in there. :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2020, 08:40:55 PM »
I have no ambition to salvage a pelt.   I'd hit this dog with an 87 grain Speer with my 25-06.  I think I'd be able to lay a bullet into him even with the grass.   My Dads 220 swift, he has two bullet choices.  One would vaporize the first blade of grass it touched and the other would probably find home.   It usually produces a pin hole through and through.   

For those that are pelt hunters, what would you use, and would it be effective for this yote, or whould you have to wait for a cleaner shot.   100 yards out.



.22-250 55 Grain Vmax or the Nosler Ballistic Silvertip 55Gr are my favorite.  I would take that shot as is
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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2020, 09:40:29 PM »
All my ranch years and shooting yotes and stray dogs, I found my 257 Roberts the best compared to 223, 22-250 and 220 swifts.

Someone stole my 223, sold my 22-250 to jingles and my swift is in Idaho harvesting whitetails.   Spotted for a guy once with a swift on the ranch, he pulled the trigger, I seen the yote go down and he couldn't/wouldn't believe me.  Convinced him to walk out and look.  We paces off 856 yards to the carcass. :tup:

Doesn't really matter caliber,  bullet placement is what counts!
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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2020, 09:48:41 PM »
I guess shooting dog is one thing but to shoot one to be able to get top $ at the fur auction you don’t want excessive damage

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2020, 10:04:31 PM »
I think my 22 mag would fit the bill

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2020, 05:43:44 AM »
The 22-250 Timberfaller mentioned absolutely loves 55 gr spitzers pushed by 37.5 gr IMR 4064 punches in with a pinky size hole and no exit if more than 150 yards out, if closer break out the sewing kit. At 275 yards hard to even find the entry hole, so yes it is fur friendly as long as the dog isn't sitting in your lap so that dog would be DRT with a shot in the right eye
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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2020, 06:12:56 AM »
Bone
You ask so here is my answer . For many many years I have used the 22-250 on totes behind your house in the wenas . 55 gr. spitzers just worked.


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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2020, 07:57:53 AM »
nothing says you can't load a reduced load using less powder.  Some of the old Speer manuals had reduced loads listed intended for hide hunting.  Back when Burnham Brothers existed one of them hunted with a .222 that was loaded down to around the 1600 fps range.   I shot coyotes with a .22 Hornet and a 45 grain Sierra spitzer.  The Hornet didn't produce enough velocity to make that bullet expand much and mostly the coyotes were "pencil poked" by the bullet.  All coyotes except 1 fell over dead when shot.  One flopped a bit and got a little ways into the brush.

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Re: bullet caliber discussion
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2020, 07:55:36 PM »
Alot would depend on how close the grass was to the coyote.  It is a little tough to tell 3D form the picture but if the grass is closer to the coyote even a little deflection wouldn't matter.  If the grass is right in front of the shooter the slightest deflection could cause a clean miss.  Me, I'd put the crosshairs on the shoulder with any of my varmint guns (.220 Swift, 22-250, .222 or .223) and let her rip.
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